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  •  I don't know if more regulations are needed. (6+ / 0-)

    By the information posted here on DKos (and since it's on the Internet I know it's true) it would take more than a hundred years at the current rate of inspections to inspect every fertilizer factory in Texas and even then the inspections might not really achieve any good.  So maybe the regulations are in place, but if there's nobody to check and enforce the regulations, something the Texas legislature and Perry are also responsible for, having regulations won't do anyone any good.

    I read on this site that this exact plant had certified that there would be no danger from a leak and even a fire would be non-threatening to anyone.  But of course nobody could have foreseen this disaster, right/

    •   nobody could have foreseen? (9+ / 0-)

      Sounds familiar.  Where have  I heard that before?

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      by DRo on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 01:12:18 PM PDT

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      •  Not the worst fertilizer explosion in Texas either (8+ / 0-)

        Not by a long shot.

        Texas City Disaster killed at least 581 people.

        "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

        by Lefty Coaster on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 01:25:38 PM PDT

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        •  What really irks me (7+ / 0-)

          is that there has been no inspection in over six years.

          Darn!!

          I have to have my car inspected in order to have a license plate renewed.  Why can't businesses be held to inspections for renewals in a similar manner?

          (I know the answer to that.  Wouldn't want to annoy a political contributor, would you?)

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          by DRo on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 01:32:05 PM PDT

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          •  That's inexcusable (2+ / 0-)
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            "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

            by Lefty Coaster on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 01:34:11 PM PDT

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          •  It's not just Texas (9+ / 0-)

            No environmental agencies - federal or state - have the resources to inspect all facilities under their jurisdiction. Thus, the only ones that seem to get are attentions are the most egregious based on releases, incidents, fatalities, and neighborhood complaints. Even in this day and age, there are manufacturing facilities operating without the requisite permits.

            A former colleague of mine left the private sector to take a job at a state environmental agency that discovered some significant violations at a manufacturing plant that was a local facility of a national company.

            For the hearing where the fines were to be determined, my colleague told the local plant manager to be sure that the corporate Environmental, Health & Safety (EHS) person be present. He asked this person whether there was an EHS person at this plant. Nope. If there were such a person, he then asked, what would you have paid them. About $75K a year was the response.

            Since the violations had been going on for about three years, the fine was assessed at 3 x $75,000 = $225,000.

            Those who do not understand history are condemned to repeat it... in summer school.

            by cassandracarolina on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 01:56:25 PM PDT

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            •  Our insurance company inspects us... (6+ / 0-)

              and we have ISO 14000 audits yearly.  

              Make companies get ISO certified at their own cost because we do not want our tax dollars going to these corporate welfare takers anymore do we?

              OSHA is actually capable of being self sustaining if they would allow for adaquate fines for violations.

              Isn't that why they say we no longer need unions?  Because we have OSHA to take care of safety now days?

              Republicans continuing to use circular logic to promote Republicans continuing to use circular logic to promote Republicans continuing to use circular logic to promote...

              "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

              by Buckeye Nut Schell on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 02:21:49 PM PDT

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              •  There is evidence that companies that (0+ / 0-)

                take care of their employees and the environment can be financially competitive. Without regulatory drivers, we have to rely on the marketplace to incentivize best practices. One source of pressure to meet and exceed environmental, health, and safety requirements comes through the supply chain. Some firms will not purchase products or service from companies with a bad track record. Some require a lot more from their suppliers. The GOP should love this, because it's the free market at work.

                Those who do not understand history are condemned to repeat it... in summer school.

                by cassandracarolina on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 03:16:47 PM PDT

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                •  Absolutely! (1+ / 0-)
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                  That is the concept behind ISO 14000.

                  Customers require suppliers to be certified so that they can be certified for their customers.  It's a great idea in theory.

                  Unfortunately, since the auditors are paid for by the companies being audited, the incentive is to make sure they pass as long as the violations are not completely egregious.  It would help if the auditing companies shared some of the liabilities and the cost was paid to a neutral distributer (so to speak) that contracted the certified auditors randomly.

                  "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

                  by Buckeye Nut Schell on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 03:23:59 PM PDT

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                •  Absolutely! (1+ / 0-)
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                  cassandracarolina

                  That is the concept behind ISO 14000.

                  Customers require suppliers to be certified so that they can be certified for their customers.  It's a great idea in theory.

                  Unfortunately, since the auditors are paid for by the companies being audited, the incentive is to make sure they pass as long as the violations are not completely egregious.  It would help if the auditing companies shared some of the liabilities and the cost was paid to a neutral distributer (so to speak) that contracted the certified auditors randomly.

                  "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

                  by Buckeye Nut Schell on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 03:24:59 PM PDT

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                  •  OOPS! (1+ / 0-)
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                    Computer misfired and I accidently posted twice.  First time that has happened to me in over six years posting here.

                    "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

                    by Buckeye Nut Schell on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 03:27:28 PM PDT

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