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  •  I don't agree (0+ / 0-)

    You have a point, that not all Kossacks choose their words with as much care as one might hope. That simply demonstrates why Religion should be removed completely from the political discourse. Religion is a private matter of faith, nothing more.

    The anti-conservative stuff is invariably a response, usually backed with links to verifiable sources.

    It's not hate speech if it is true.

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    Who is twigg?

    by twigg on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 02:08:09 PM PDT

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    •  And boom there you go (3+ / 0-)
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      'It's not hate speech if it's true'

      Oh that's a slippery slope right there. Holy Hell.

      Look, I tried to be reasonable...

      by campionrules on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 02:14:35 PM PDT

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    •  This is precisely what you DON'T want (5+ / 0-)
      It's not hate speech if it is true.
      "Truth" so often is subjective, and the majority is never going to agree with a speaker in the minority about what is "true" or not.  

      What a jury in NYC decides is "true" about, for example, Catholics is going to be VERY different from what a jury here in very Catholic, very red South Louisiana decides is "true." If you have that standard, the same speech that would be considered "true" in a very progressive area would get you thrown in jail in very conservative areas.  

      You DON'T want government, or even juries making decisions about what is "true" unless it's a purely erroneous factual statement, like in libel laws.  "He was convicted of a crime" is the kind of factually true or false statement that can be the subject of libel and slander actions.  It's either factually true under the law or it's not, and you can tell by referring to court records to see if the law has a record of a conviction.  But "Catholics are bigots" or "Catholics are ok with pedophiles"  (the kind of thing that is said here all the time) would be considered hate speech, under your standard, by the vast majority of juries here in south Louisiana.  If we go to what you are suggesting, those kinds of statements could be made a crime here in the deep south.  

    •  twigg - who decides what is "true"? (0+ / 0-)

      Lots of gray there.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 08:02:17 PM PDT

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