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  •  "0 sympathy for the Japanese." Why? Because (1+ / 0-)
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    their government launched wars of aggression, water-boarded, & established secret prison sites?

    I have "0 sympathy" for the Japanese government of the time & their murderous activities, but a lot of sympathy for Japanese people.

    The fact that too many of the  Japanese civilian population tended to cheer on the militarism & strive for denial of war crimes...saddens me, but I understand it...too well.

    My father fought in the Pacific in WWII, & he came to understand it as well before he died a few years ago.

    America's greatest political dynasty...the Ka'an

    by catilinus on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:35:52 PM PDT

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    •  O sympathy because they have none for others (2+ / 0-)
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      In all the accounts of the japanese in WWII, I have never, and I mean NVER seen any of them express sympathy for  the horror, murder, torrure and starvation they and their government---which had no internal opposition--inflicted on their neighbors.
      For them its always about what the Americans did to them, never about the million and a half Vietnamese they starved to death, the million Phillipinos they slaughtered or the millions of Chinese they murdered.
      the Japanese inflicted a holocaust on their neighbors that was every bit as brutal and murdersous as that of their pals, allies and role models the Nazis, except it lasted longer. They never began to pay for it and are still denying it 40 years later

      Happy just to be alive

      by exlrrp on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:42:31 PM PDT

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      •  70 years later (1+ / 0-)
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        Happy just to be alive

        by exlrrp on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:43:26 PM PDT

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      •  You left out Bataan (3+ / 0-)
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        The Japanese were extraordinarily brutal toward prisoners of war. I have always believed that the warrior beliefs meant that prisoners of war were not fully human and without honor, since they had surrendered. That meant that atrocities were allowed toward the subhuman prisoners.

        The Japanese people were totally supportive of the war effort.

        •  I left out a lot!! (2+ / 0-)
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          I had to for brevity. The scope of the Japanese atrocities equaled or exceeded the Nazis. Furthermore they were going on up to and beyond the day they dropped the bomb.
          The Japanese dominant thought was Bushido---basically a brutal, unforgiving warriors code. This mandated terrible treatment of conquered people and the Japanese lived it for all the years they brought war to other people.
          this is why the atom bombs were effective---forcing the Japanese to abandon their brutal, antisocial culture.

          Happy just to be alive

          by exlrrp on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 05:00:50 AM PDT

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      •  In the '80s I went to the Grand Canyon with a (1+ / 0-)
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        man who had trained to be a Kamikaze pilot as a teen. The war ended before his time came up. When I knew him he was horrified at the atrocities that were committed.

        So there's that.

         

        I mean NVER seen any of them express sympathy for  the horror, murder, torrure and starvation they and their government---which had no internal opposition--inflicted on their neighbors.
        "NVER?" I would direct to Kon Ichikawa's "The Burmese Harp (1956) & his Fires on the Plain (1959). There is also "The Human Condition" trilogy of films (1959-1961) by Masaki Kobayashi.

        So there's that also.

        Unfortunately, I do agree that overall the Japanese show (as do we & all peoples) that too human tendency to both justify violence while at the same time denying it.

        America's greatest political dynasty...the Ka'an

        by catilinus on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 09:43:02 PM PDT

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        •  Next August 3 (0+ / 0-)

          Listen to the Japanese discussion. There will be a huge ceremony at Hiroshima. They will go to the Japanese central shrine at Yakusuni.

          They will castigate America for the nuclear devices, but no one will say a thing about Pearl Harbor, Nanjing, GE-ACS, Bataan, etc.

        •  They deny they inflicted a holocaust (1+ / 0-)
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          In spite of all the facts
          Their excuse is that other countries were just as brutal.
          Thats like saying Hitlers holocaust was excusable because stalin was also brutal.

          Gee, books from the 50s, films in 1959--1961, how did I ever miss them. Looking over The Burmese Harp ---it IS an anti war film butI don't see how this is an example of the Japanese admitting war crimes.

          Happy just to be alive

          by exlrrp on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 05:13:07 AM PDT

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