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  •  This Might be a Tough One. (1+ / 0-)
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    The military is the government. The government's not allowed to be in the business of picking and choosing religions or religious sects for support or exclusion.

    Both speech and religious freedom, it seems to this non lawyer, may well protect these groups from what the Lt Col. is trying to do. Or does the fact that he's naming policy organizations rather than actual churches protect him?

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 06:29:54 PM PDT

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      I think he was simply naming these groups and thus aren't limiting their right to free speech. of course I could be wrong, but his naming them as hate groups opens up a good discussion on the false claims they make about the gay community and how these claims could play a part in harming military cohesiveness.

    •  You're kidding, right? (7+ / 0-)

      We have 30 years of the DoD enabling right-wing/evangelical prosthelitizing in the armed forces. There is a long list of actual violations of the UCMJ by these groups--both churches and non-denominational orgs.

      "(P)icking and choosing religions or religious sects for support" is EXACTLY what has been going on since the changes brought in the Reagan administration.  

      (That sound you are hearing is a paradigm being shifted at Warp Factor Infinity using no clutch.)

      by homogenius on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:09:15 PM PDT

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    •  What are you saying he's trying to do? (3+ / 0-)

      He can't shut them down, force them to stop talking, etc.

      He absolutely can refuse to allow them special privileges like holding events on base. Nobody has a right to hold events on military bases.

      And he absolutely can order soldiers under his command not to participate in these organizations, distribute their literature, or promote their ideas - just like pre-DADT repeal he could order us not to go to gay bars, and like there are still standing orders not to participate in other hate groups like Neo-Nazi organizations. Servicemembers don't have the right to free association or speech.

      They do have the right to freedom of religion, so he can't order them not to participate in actual churches/religious organizations (per IRS definition, I believe). But AFA and FRC aren't churches.

      "Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines." - Sgt. Maj Michael Barrett on DADT repeal

      by kyril on Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 07:53:31 PM PDT

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