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  •  If you mean Ray Pensador's diary of (2+ / 0-)
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    yesterday, about corporate fascism, that's not really vague, nor is it impossible to prove, it's obvious to anyone willing to see.

    •  That and his older diaries that made even more (3+ / 0-)

      specific claims. When he claims that corporations conspire to do smth it would be nice if he presented the evidence of them actually doing it.

      •  If we had evidence of that (3+ / 0-)
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        we wouldn't be watching our Constitution being overrun by the Corporate. We'd be stopping them.

        So please--yes, it would be NICE to have proof of anything under discussion but in the meantime, there should be absolutely nothing wrong with asking questions and provoking thought.

        "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

        by lunachickie on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 09:03:52 AM PDT

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        •  If you read your stock ticker backwards, it says (2+ / 0-)
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          "Ixnay on the -ncriminating-ay atements-stay about the onspiracy-cay">
          Proof enough for me.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 09:25:11 AM PDT

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        •  If the diary was asking questions, I would have (3+ / 0-)

          no issues with it. But the diaries were making strong claims that this is the case and using these claims as basic assumptions that are so obvious that require no proof. The diaries went basically like this: 'It's clear to everyone that we live in a fascist state. The goal of the diary is come up with ways to fight it'.

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            I didn't see that one, and your use of the word "basically" would indicate that you're paraphrasing ;)

            "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

            by lunachickie on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 09:39:30 AM PDT

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          •  Depending upon the definitin of fascism used, (1+ / 0-)
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            that is a very supportable case. One of my sate's Senators, for example, openly represents corporate interests and not the interests of the citizenry or voters. In cases where the two conflilct, she can be counted on to go corporate every time, regardless of any public hue and cry.

            That is evidence of an equality of corporate and government interests and of control or ownership of government by corporate interests. So are certain Supreme Court Decisions facilitating such control and ownership.

            So, it is then a question of degree and extent, an evidentiary question, and not one that can possibly rise to the level of CT because it cannot be widely and commonly known to be false, or even convincingly shown to be false in the face of all of the evidence to the contrary.

            That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

            by enhydra lutris on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:01:49 AM PDT

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            •  Right (1+ / 0-)
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              which naturally begs the question: "What is the level of stupid of those who continually insist such cases cannot possibly be made under any definition in the current realm?"

              And the answer to that is "It depends on who and what you're reading."

              One supposes, anyway...

              "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

              by lunachickie on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 01:28:04 PM PDT

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      •   The answer is ALEC. (1+ / 0-)
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        I'd tip you but they cut off my tip box. The TSA would put Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad on the no-fly list.

        by OHdog on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:03:34 PM PDT

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        •  But what is the question? (0+ / 0-)

          That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

          by enhydra lutris on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:42:35 PM PDT

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          •  Evidence of a corporate fascist conspiracy. (1+ / 0-)
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            I'd tip you but they cut off my tip box. The TSA would put Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad on the no-fly list.

            by OHdog on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 01:04:12 PM PDT

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            •  "Corporate fascist conspiracy" is different, (0+ / 0-)

              fwiw, from "fascist conspiracy". Corporations do not generally need to conspire to act in parallel or even in concert.

              That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

              by enhydra lutris on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 01:21:02 PM PDT

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