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  •  The fact that we have this mass of militarized (0+ / 0-)

    police forces is really concerning. Obviously it has come in handy in this case, but I think there's a larger point to be made here. Most of the time when these para-military forces are used it is not in any sort of situation like this. It's for drug arrests and other things. I don't know that this is a police state yet, but all the pieces are in place and all it will take is the right person(or wrong person as it were) to make it happen.

    Okay, I'll bite.  What military tactics?
    The tactics used in Iraq and Afghanistan. City wide lock down and house to house searches by forced armed with military weaponry. I guess people don't really want military weaponry off the street.

    If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

    by AoT on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 10:11:24 AM PDT

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    •  Not In This Case (2+ / 0-)
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      Obviously it has come in handy in this case, but I think there's a larger point to be made here.

      I agree (here and in plenty of other posts) with the larger point that militarized police cause more trouble (and violence, and crimes) than they help. But it is precisely because in this case that military backed police "have come in handy" that this case is the worst time to make the case against them.

      The case against them in this case is that they killed one suspect and let the other get away without getting any info from them. This case makes the argument that the entire approach we've funded and ceded liberties to is worthless and worse.

      We need less military, and more intelligence. Both in police and Federal support in cases like this (and in this case), and in the many other cases we're misusing our military for. A vastly smaller military, and a focused and accountable intelligence service, would actually protect us.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:34:42 AM PDT

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      •  I think you just made the case (0+ / 0-)

        against a militarized police force perfectly.

        The case against them in this case is that they killed one suspect and let the other get away without getting any info from them. This case makes the argument that the entire approach we've funded and ceded liberties to is worthless and worse.

        We need less military, and more intelligence. Both in police and Federal support in cases like this (and in this case), and in the many other cases we're misusing our military for. A vastly smaller military, and a focused and accountable intelligence service, would actually protect us.

        I wish I could put it so well.

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:46:16 AM PDT

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        •  I Agree (1+ / 0-)
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          After I thought about your last reply to my last post, I realized you were right. I talked myself through it, though I hadn't noticed by the time I posted. I changed my own mind, but I wouldn't have without your perspective.

          Thanks.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 09:55:12 PM PDT

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    •  hmmm... (0+ / 0-)

      The "pieces" have always been "in place" for  "police state".  The only way for that not to be the case is to have no military.  And no armed police force.

      And it's not like abuse of state power is anything new.  FDR put Americans in interment camps once, after all.  And he was much more wrong to do so than anything that's happened in dealing with these Marathon bombers.

      These guys attacked an international event, killed multiple people, maimed hundreds for life, killed cops with guns, bombs, and grenades, held up convenience store, and hijacked cars.  And we don't know if they were working alone or are part of a cell or what. The authorities are taking steps they think are required to apprehend the suspect and protect the public.

      I'm not scared of our government.  And the authorities' requesting (not even actually enforcing) that people stay in their homes and shutting down mass transit (which is run by the government to begin with (cab service has been restored)) are not going to make me scared of our government or give me the willies about an oppressive police state.

      Judging by your and others' comments, lots of progressives are as frightened of our government as the right wing paranoid nutjobs are.

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