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  •  One person, not a riot (3+ / 0-)
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    That's why this is so unprecedented.

    And the situation is also unprecedented, to be sure.

    If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

    by AoT on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:05:09 AM PDT

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    •  I didn't say there are no unique aspects. (1+ / 0-)
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      All I said is that there is ample precedent for authorities to use extraordinary measures, including military involvement, to respond to extraordinary threats to the public welfare. Which is what you seemed to be claiming was in fact unprecedented.

      Technology advances and the evolution of tactical understanding has changed the playing field. It is now possible for one man (or, in this case, at least two) to create a situation wherein a single fugitive poses sufficiently grave and wide-spread a threat that authorities must respond with force that a few decades ago would have quelled a riot. But that's not the fault of the authorities; it's the downside of progress.

      "Do it in the name of Heaven; you can justify it in the end..." - Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter

      by pragmaticidealist on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:19:11 AM PDT

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      •  Nothing this guy is doing would have been (0+ / 0-)

        significantly more difficult 50 years ago. All they would have had to have done is put a timer on the bombs instead of the cell phone detonator. It's not like the weaponry is especially dangerous. Everything they used to build these bombs has been around for quite a while.

        If anything the technological advantage is on the side of the authorities. They've got cameras everywhere, they're always in contact, they're better armed than police ever have been.

        Like I said though, the whole situation is pretty unprecedented.

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:40:25 AM PDT

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        •  Actually, timers would be quite different (0+ / 0-)

          Once they're set, they're out of the bomber's control.

          And I never suggested that the authorities fail to keep pace with changing technology. On the contrary, I expect them to do so.

          But if, indeed, "they've got cameras everywhere, they're always in contact" etc., they'd already have the suspect in custody. Technological sophistication is not (yet) equal to omnipresence or omnipotence.

          Sorry, but I'm done arguing this with you.

          "Do it in the name of Heaven; you can justify it in the end..." - Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter

          by pragmaticidealist on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:45:15 AM PDT

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