Skip to main content

View Diary: Manhunt continues for Boston Marathon bomb suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (358 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  But in the case of Chechens (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    blueoregon, skwimmer

    the motivation is not simply religious; it's also nationalistic, so not even that can be a clear cut case.

    Russia has many Muslims within its borders.  I know many Russian Muslims.  They are highly integrated into Russian culture.  The issue with Chechens isn't simply that they are Muslims, but that they are a people (the majority of whom are Muslim) striving for an independent nation.

    So this could just as easily be nationalism, such as the type was seen in the early 90s with Croat and Serbs, who also engaged in acts of terrorism before that war broke out.  

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 07:40:59 AM PDT

    [ Parent ]

    •  Nationalism makes no sense in this context (0+ / 0-)

      Why Boston?  

      The YouTube account is all about Islamist extremism, not Chechen nationalism.

      •  Nationalism makes perfect sense (0+ / 0-)

        in this context.  Boston is purely coincidental because that's where the perpetrators happened to be.

        You are thinking that the meaning of the act has to be derived from the chosen victims.  

        In genuine political terrorism, the identity of the victims or the site isn't necessarily the point, it can just be the means.

        Chechen radicalism, even Chechen Islamic radicalism always has a nationalist underpinning. This isn't a pan-islamic operation, lik 9/11 was, these folks are Chechens, for whom Islam has a very clear not only religious but also Nationalistic marker (vis-a-vis their struggle vs. Russians).

         

        Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

        by a gilas girl on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 07:55:53 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  OK, so they were Chechen nationalists with (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Caipirinha

          an extremist Islamist worldview.  So you have two potential motivating forces.  People with either of those motivating forces have been responsible for horrific crimes over the past 20 years.  So when it happens in Boston rather than Moscow, I pick an insane Islamist motive rather than a grotesque nationalist motive.

          •  same with RWers (0+ / 0-)

            they've been responsible for horrific crimes around the country for over 20 years in fact.  And not unusual at all to consider that possibility considering that it occurred on or near so many other RW dates of note.  
            An NPR report I heard a couple days ago said that even the authorities were considering this as a strong possibility(RW, anti-government motivation).

          •  but you're still missing the point (0+ / 0-)

            what you're calling "insane Islamist motive" IS ALSO a grotesque nationalist motive at the same time.

            So while you look at the thing and see "insane Islamacist motive", the people for whom "grotestque nationalist motive"resonates more, look at the exact same thing and see it differently.

            Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

            by a gilas girl on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:26:37 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  OK, I don't know the primary animating motive (0+ / 0-)

              but we have no example of Chechen extremists blowing up targets in the West, while we have numerous examples of Islamists targeting civilians in US and Europe.

              One of the most dangerous and disturbing features of radical Islamists is their vision of and demand for governments run on strict Muslim law.  So I see the common feature in similar attacks as radical Islam more than nationalism, but they are indeed intrinsically linked.

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site