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  •  He IS a terrorist, by definition. But he is also (4+ / 0-)

    an American citizen.  As such, he does have certain rights, in spite of his despicable behaviour.  

    I hope that he is taken alive, and that he tells us "why" he thought this was such a good idea.

    :: shaking my head ::

    We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

    by The Marti on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 02:20:24 PM PDT

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    •  he MAY be a terrorist by definition (1+ / 0-)
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      but I have yet to hear any evidence of it.  We do still have a statutory definition that is independent of emotional reactions.

      Due process does not depend on citizenship.  Even French criminals have the right to due process when we prosecute them for crimes.  Terrorists, however, do not.  

      I doubt very much that he will be taken alive, but even if he is, I doubt we will ever hear his reasons.  

      "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Goethe

      by jlynne on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 02:27:17 PM PDT

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      •  Heh. Guess I didn't need to waste my time (1+ / 0-)
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        on that response. :)

      •  I should've stipulated that if it is proved that (0+ / 0-)

        he and his brother did this, then he is by definition a terrorist.  

        Whether the decision is made to try him as a terrorist or not, I'd still like to know his reasons.  

        You are probably right, though, that he is unlikely to be taken alive.

        We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

        by The Marti on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 02:35:19 PM PDT

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        •  To the contrary, (1+ / 0-)
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          I accept that he and his brother did this.  The problem is that even such a heinous act is not necessarily terrorism.  A political motivation is required and I've seen no evidence of that beyond the breathless speculation of the talking heads.

          "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Goethe

          by jlynne on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 02:40:41 PM PDT

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      •  In answer to this: (1+ / 0-)
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        he MAY be a terrorist by definition but I have yet to hear any evidence of it.  
        I think I have seen plenty of evidence of this....in pictures. Blowing up the finish line of the Boston marathon and killing three while maiming hundreds....IS the definition of terrorism in my mind.
    •  By definition? Not unless you've heard (1+ / 0-)
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      evidence of motive that I've not heard, which is possible. And such evidence may certainly be shown later (e.g., in investigating the trip to Russia). But the terrorist label is not inherent in mass murder/mayhem. Motive matters.

      Chris Hayes had a marvelous smackdown of Susan Collins' tying rights to American citizenship as you have. He has rights as a PERSON under the U.S. Constitution. His citizenship is irrelevant for purposes of his due process rights.  

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