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  •  Which historians? (0+ / 0-)

    Show me a historian who will claim that the term "race" was not present in European discourse prior to the colonial period.

    Not to be rude but have you read any of the histories of antiquity or the classical period?

    Are you certain that the historians to which you refer are not drawing a distinction between modern notions of race, including color based racism and pre-modern notions of race?

    Nothing human is alien to me.

    by WB Reeves on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 04:11:07 PM PDT

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    •  Start with Winthrop Jordan, or even the book (0+ / 0-)

      White: the history of a word. A short history of racism also gets into this. Race is a modern idea. Race as you are using it is one from antiquity rooted in nations, barbarians, outsiders, and the like.

      The Invention of the white race vols 1 and 2 gets into this history in an accessible way. Of course Painter's work which I linked to in the piece.

      Romans were a "race" but they were of different colors for example.

      •  Thanks for the suggestions (0+ / 0-)

        Just to be clear, it's my opinion that the development of racism and white supremacy expanded upon and transformed earlier European notions of race, not that they are identical.

        One of the advantages of the Romans was that their ideas of law/custom and civitas trumped notions of biological particularism.  

        Nothing human is alien to me.

        by WB Reeves on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 10:50:43 PM PDT

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