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  •  so we can see the end game already . . . . (3+ / 0-)
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    ManhattanMan, Cliss, phonegery

    The corporados all pee their pants and yell "we HAVE to drill now or we'll all go BROKE !!!!!"  and since the too-big-to-go-broke companies are all . . . well . . .  even bigger now, we'll (1) drill baby drill and (2) bail their goddamn asses out yet again.

    •  let them go broke. that's the idea..divest (4+ / 0-)
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      Cliss, phonegery, Ashaman, cynndara

      and be part of the solution.

      Macca's Meatless Monday

      by VL Baker on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 02:20:38 PM PDT

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      •  oh, I quite agree. however, past history shows (2+ / 0-)
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        Cliss, phonegery

        that we'll succumb to the blackmail again--and then cheer about it.

      •  property rights work both ways. (3+ / 0-)
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        beach babe in fl, phonegery, cynndara

        The other option is to buy them out, lock up the mineral rights, and cease operations.

        Patriot Coal declared bankruptcy in July 2012.  There are good indications that other companies face financial difficulty.  It should be possible to attend the asset auctions and bid to buy land or mining rights.

        Every publicly traded company is a takeover target.  Corporate raiders like Carl Icahn understand this.  Why are hostile takeovers only a tool of the right and not the left?

        -7.75 -4.67

        "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

        There are no Christians in foxholes.

        by Odysseus on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 02:46:06 PM PDT

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      •  there is no way to untangle ourselves (1+ / 0-)
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        cynndara

        without causing a massive, wholesale shock to the economic system.

        These companies are too integrated into our economy to be removed cleanly. Too many bets have been made on their continued profitability, and other bets have been made on those bets, and still others made on those...

        There is no way to shrink them at a manageable rate that will allow us to smoothly transition to a zero-carbon economy. It's like trying to replace one's entire diseased circulatory system at once.

        Divestment is a good way of raising consciousness and as a first step towards getting people to be active in climate issues. But let's not be under any illusions: it will not prevent the carbon crash. Too much money has already been sunk into it; twenty years of decisions regarding capital allocations and infrastructure investment have already been locked in by these fossil fuel companies and if they bail now all that money will go to waste and their projected profits will vanish and they will be out on the street looking for a job, like the rest of us. They're not going to let that happen.

        They won't slit their own throats, and on top of that, they own every government on earth. They will not go down without a fight. Appealing to sanity won't work, because they're not sane. Reasonable arguments work only on reasonable people.

        The transition will be extremely bumpy, and it's going to hurt. A lot.

        "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

        by limpidglass on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 04:49:53 PM PDT

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        •  they won't slit their own throats so let's do it (0+ / 0-)

          for them and shrink the market by not buying their products, etc, etc,   As long as we buy their products, eat their meat etc.  we are enablers.

          Macca's Meatless Monday

          by VL Baker on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 04:56:01 PM PDT

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