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  •  I inflated my bikes tires last weekend and (1+ / 0-)
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    rode the bus today.

    Macca's Meatless Monday

    by VL Baker on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 03:50:37 PM PDT

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    •  I ride the bus to work every day. Not the point. (1+ / 0-)
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      Again, the point is:

      We cannot make the new-auto market disappear.

      In fact, if new auto sales were to grind to zero right now, the effect on the economy and ordinary people's lives might be devastating.

      But we can take on the auto market, and beat the crap out of oil in its own game - right now. By convincing those who do need/plan to buy a new car, to buy an EV/plug-in.

      •  we need to move away from car culture.. (0+ / 0-)

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

        Making a new car creates as much carbon pollution as driving it, so it's often better to keep your old banger on the road than to upgrade to a greener model.

        There's car share, zipcar etc. but building a car creates more emissions than its lifetime of use.

        Macca's Meatless Monday

        by VL Baker on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 04:18:45 PM PDT

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        •  forgot to mention the highway system... (0+ / 0-)

          what a debacle..definitely don't need to build more highways for cars.

          Macca's Meatless Monday

          by VL Baker on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 04:58:39 PM PDT

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        •  Absolutism won't get us anywhere either. (1+ / 0-)
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          I'm all for weaning ourselves off of car culture.

          Barring major drastic catastrophe, this won't happen in a day or even in a decade.

          But having many of those who - to repeat myself ad nauseaum - are buying a new car this year anyway, having those people buy cars that need no (or almost no) oil, will be a huge hit on the oil industry. And therefore, a huge boost in the battle to stop climate change.

          Conversely: if your only vision to stop global warming is that 100% of Americans will be as green in their daily lives as yourself, and if you are morally unwilling to accept other avenue as helpful - then you are essentially guaranteeing our failure.

          •  be the change. many want the solution for CC (0+ / 0-)

            to come from somewhere up above but climate change is a problem of consumption...our consumption.  It isn't a hands off problem...we all have to contribute.

            Macca's Meatless Monday

            by VL Baker on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 05:22:03 PM PDT

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            •  "my way or the highway" does not contribute. (1+ / 0-)
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              Getting an electric car nowadays is very far from being "hands-off." It might mean charging with extension cords every night instead of just rolling into a gas station once a week. It means having to carefully plan any drive beyond the ordinary daily ones.

              It also means putting a lot of your savings into a technology that isn't yet mature, which is quite a risk.

              We did it in order to help bring the change.

              And I will continue to feel great with having bought (or rather, leased) an electric car, and will try to convince others to do likewise - no matter how many purity trolls insinuate that I'm some sort of lazy degenerate consumerist  (as if they know me at all), for even daring to discuss the topic of buying cars here (as if the universe outside the virtual orange pages has ceased to exist).

              Try to broaden your horizons as to what "change" might consist of. It will greatly increase your ability to stop climate change.

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