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  •  How is having an entire city block with people (0+ / 0-)

    forced to stay in their homes as they police swept each and every house NOT "being held against their will"?

    Police State:

    A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive.

    The inhabitants of a police state experience restrictions on their mobility, and on their freedom to express or communicate political or other views, which are subject to police monitoring or enforcement. Political control may be exerted by means of a secret police force which operates outside the boundaries normally imposed by a constitutional state.[2]

    The "get a perspective"???  ARE YOU SERIOUS?

    "Security Operations can be carried out rationally and efficiently"???

    Since when did "security" invalidate the Constitution?  

    Soon you'll be telling me that we can "inter" entire blocks of people because we can do it efficiently.  Oh, wait, we just did.

    When a person is not "free to go" their rights are being curtailed and actionable under SC decisions.  

    Where was the "probable cause" to detain and falsely imprison them?  Add to that the kidnapping charges if they were taken out of their homes.

    These aren't games or semantics.  And one reporter asked these exact questions tonight on CNN.  "NO Miranda Warnings Given", etc, etc, etc.

    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

    by gerrilea on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 10:08:09 PM PDT

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    •  you are clearly not in boston (7+ / 0-)

      guess how many people were arrested for not obeying the shelter-in order? if you spell it out, it starts with a Z and ends with an O. guess how many people were infuriated at this so-called trampling of their rights, and took to the streets in protesto. i'll give you a hint: it rhymes with hero.

      this was a national security emergency. a massive public safety hazard. as another commenter has already pointed out, the shelter-in order was basically the same as ordering evacuations in front of a hurricane, only in reverse.

      no one was "imprisoned." no one was "unfree to go." in fact, if you spent the day listening to the police scanner, you would know that cops actually gave tremendous latitude, and encountered all kinds of people who needed to be out on the streets for all kinds of reasons. the only hard in fast area where no cars were permitted on the road was in the cordoned off section of watertown, which was in effect an active crime seen.

      •  And since when is following an illegal police (0+ / 0-)

        order something to celebrate?

        What you've proven here is that Americans are truly ignorant of the system of law we created under our constitution, nothing more.

        An entire city cannot be "an active crime scene", if that's the case anytime there's a bank robbery the police can detain me in my own home and then search it without warrant or probable cause.

        No one was "free to go in "the active crime scene" you've described.

        Was every single person in that area, "a person of interest"? NOPE.

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 10:23:51 PM PDT

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    •  You do realize... (3+ / 0-)
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      The shelter-in-place request was voluntary, right?

      Yes, everyone in the area cooperated. But contrary to media claims, it wasn't a lockdown order. They asked for the community's assistance and got it.

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