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  •  We've seen airports and schools and (2+ / 0-)
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    crose, pistolSO

    all kinds of public places evacuated throughout our lifetimes. We have always followed whatever orders we are given by the police.

    It's called - SAFETY

    This is their profession, not ours. You follow procedures in order to save freakin' lives.

    •  What are you talking about? (2+ / 0-)
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      RfrancisR, IreGyre

      "Following orders"?

      Who's the master and who's the slave again?

      Airports can make contractual agreements to sign over their security to our government, they don't have to.

      Schools??? Who's talking about schools?  Was there a "fire drill" and I missed it?

      You can call it "safety", I might also, but there are legitimate constitutional issues that need to be addressed here.

      The constitution doesn't get "put on hold" because of safety.  Due process is and always shall be, "judicial".

      The Day 'Due Process' Died: Obama, Holder and the End of Rights

      “Due process” and “judicial process” are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security. The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process.

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 10:48:11 PM PDT

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      •  If a school has a terrorist cornered (0+ / 0-)

        isn't an effin fire drill.

        If an airport has a bomb scare, it isn't an effin fire drill.'

        Professionals take over because they are experienced and have way more effin knowledge on these matters than we do.

        Yes. Orders. As in - GET OUT -THIS WAY

        •  Okey dokey then... (1+ / 0-)
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          IreGyre

          How many schools have cornered terrorists?

          How many airports?

          The "professionals that take over" must follow that damn piece of paper.

          Please learn to deal with it.

          It's one thing if they are in "hot pursuit", like with OJ, and an entirely different thing if they don't know where he is.  
          And clearly they didn't, it was a civilian that spotted the guy.

          Their "hot pursuit" was kabuki theater, nothing more.  He would have been caught without the declaration of martial law or the shredding of the constitution.  

          Take a moment and review this interview with Naomi Wolf on the Colbert Report, keep in mind it was recorded in 2007.  

          http://www.colbertnation.com/...

          #1: "Invoking a terrifying internal and external threat"

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:48:40 PM PDT

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          •  Exactly! (1+ / 0-)
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            When's the last time we had a known terrorist running loose in a city with an extreme potential to kill innocent people that was identified almost as quickly as his heinous act was perpetrated?

            Sure, by all means, continue making the argument that the police shouldn't come out in force and catch the guy ASAP.

            Maybe next time, they'll ask the citizens of whichever town gets it next to lock-and-load and start patrolling the streets themselves, detaining and interrogating anyone they deem suspicious (blacks, mexicans, and other non-white people; see: Reddit, NYPost) and doling out justice as they see fit (see Ann Coulter, Red State, Tea Party.)

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            by Stand Strong on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 04:54:00 AM PDT

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            •  Um, point to where I said the police shouldn't (0+ / 0-)

              get the bad guy?  Oh, I didn't.

              I said, when they do, they must follow the constitution.

              Why would you wish for vigilante justice?  Did I even come close to suggesting that? Oh, that's right, I didn't.

              Your straw arguments don't means shit.

              -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

              by gerrilea on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 05:56:48 PM PDT

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