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  •  "Act"? We are acting, (26+ / 0-)

    running around slapping Band-Aides on everything we can. Changing light bulbs, driving a hybrid, or just not driving, recycling stuff,  buying things in shiny green wrappers.  Band-Aides covering everything,  and that's about going to be the extent of it from the "we" perspective as individuals.

    "We" collectively? National policy? Solving the root causes?  Political action?

    Given what we can see of the political process,  what possible reason could there be for hope that anything substantial will be accomplished?

    don't always believe what you think

    by claude on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 07:12:44 AM PDT

    •  Don't give up on minor seeming actions (12+ / 0-)

      It all matters.  Higher efficiency lighting makes a significant difference, and we are finally seeing real improvements in LED lighting.  Driving less and with more efficient cars also matters.  New battery technology is about to be revolutionary.  Even the growing food waste composting movement matters.

      What matters even more is the continuing switch from fossil fuels in electrical generation to wind, solar and other more sustainable sources.  We need a rapid growth rate for this process, and so far we are seeing a rapid growth rate.  We should have started this sooner, but at least something is happening now.

      The needed degree of coordinated action is lacking for now, but that doesn't mean that progress isn't being made.  It's too late to prevent negative effects from climate change.  They are already happening.  But it's not too late to make a difference that will prevent the worst effects.

      "Trust only those who doubt" Lu Xun

      by LookingUp on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 07:24:35 AM PDT

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      •  Advances in carbon sequestration (9+ / 0-)

        We can think of carbon sequestration as a type of agricultural technology. If we manage our grazing lands and croplands appropriately, it may be possible to transfer carbon from the atmosphere into the soil at a scale large enough to be significant in the climate picture.

        It would be nice to think humanity has a future beyond the next 20 years or so. Avoiding a climate catastrophe would certainly help in that regard. However, we would also do well to recognize that even if there were no climate crisis, we are still approaching (or already past) ecological limits as a species.

        Sooner or later, we're going to need to evolve a different way of living on this planet. Whether that way is more vicious and savage or more inclusive and humane, there are going to have to be fewer of us, consuming fewer resources and generating less waste products, so that the rest of the biosphere can maintain a state consistent with the conditions that we have evolved to live in.

        Personally, I favor 'more humane', but that could just be me :)

    •  Remember than in November, 2014 (5+ / 0-)

      A good number of the right wing are hoping America's attention span and memory are as short as they've been trying to make it.

      "I just wanted to bring down your grim facade and for once, let you see the world as I see it. Giggling in a corner, and bleeding; but you've denied me even that." - The Joker to Batman, Arkham Asylum.

      by DeathDlr73 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 07:26:09 AM PDT

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    •  California has taken some steps (5+ / 0-)

      Maybe not enough, but more than most.  We have enacted cap and trade, and are aggressively pushing ZEV here.  There are already plans in place to use cap and trade profits to build more green infrastructure.

      "I watch Fox News for my comedy, and Comedy Central for my news." - Facebook Group

      by Sychotic1 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 07:31:52 AM PDT

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    •  "This bag will save the planet" (4+ / 0-)
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      Printed on the paper bags used at the local grocery stores in my neighborhood. I use my own bag, fwiw, but it's this kind of message on these bags that is so absurd.

      No, this paper bag, this recyclable bag will NOT save the planet.

      ugh.

      collards, meat, butter, sourdough, eggs, cheese, raw milk

      by Tirge Caps on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 08:14:12 AM PDT

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    •  Well, in all fairness, don't forget (9+ / 0-)

      the biggest Band-Aid of them all: reduce or eliminate your meat consumption.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 09:16:34 AM PDT

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      •  It's also a good idea (4+ / 0-)

        to get your meat further down the chain.  Chicken has a much much smaller carbon footprint than pork , which has a smaller foot print than beef.  Rabbit duck and turkey are all very close to chicken.  Water use follows the same pattern.

        http://blogs.villagevoice.com/...

        The one thing I was surprised to learn from that chart is how much bigger the footprint of cheese is compared to raw milk or even yogurt.

        I know exactly where the beef I eat comes from - every year a groups of friends gets together and we buy a whole beef and divy it up.  I'm the guy with the pickup truck who gets it all and hauls it back.  I've been there for the slaughter and butchering, which is done on site.

        It costs only about 20% more than feedlot hormone laden shit from the grocery store.  It's grass fed and relatively local (under 150 mi).  In the long run, it's damn near carbon neutral.

        I love you stupid fucking fucks. Now stop poking at the dead cat on the table and get back to the issues.

        by JesseCW on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 11:12:00 AM PDT

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        •  I just don't eat it anymore, (2+ / 0-)
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          but you're doing it the right way.

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 11:22:39 AM PDT

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        •  Just whatever you do, (1+ / 0-)
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          please don't make me think about the carbon footprint of beer.  A man's gotta have something in his life!

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 12:51:43 PM PDT

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        •  But if you yoke together a couple cows (oxen) (2+ / 0-)
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          and use them to plow furrows that grow grass and grain for the chickens to eat, and collect their droppings and put them in a vault to collect methane for cooking,  and use the remainder for fertilizer, and haul wood and rocks for building, and use all the hide for belts and shoes and such, the horns for beer steins,  the bones for buttons, and corn the beef for eating sometime towards the end of their lives, the carbon  impact certainly can be minimized.  

          Not to mention the companionship and entertainment they offer for the kids -- more interactive than video games!

        •  And hamburger is mostly elderly dairy cows (0+ / 0-)

          "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

          by Lefty Coaster on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 05:01:56 PM PDT

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        •  what you get for that big cheese footprint (1+ / 0-)
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          is concentrated energy that can be stored a while without modern refrigeration. We been making and keeping cheese far longer than we have had industrial civilization.  Plus it tastes good.

          Insert line here about "...cold dead hands..."  and my cheese.

          don't always believe what you think

          by claude on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 08:05:56 PM PDT

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          •  Sometimes it's not about "none" ;) (1+ / 0-)
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            4 oz is kind of a hell of a lot of cheese.  1 oz is enough for onion soup.

            And the better the cheese, the less of it you need to get a decent flavor.

            I love you stupid fucking fucks. Now stop poking at the dead cat on the table and get back to the issues.

            by JesseCW on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 08:57:00 PM PDT

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    •  We only use 20% of the energy for our own (3+ / 0-)
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      transport/homes ect.

      That's all we have direct control of.  We could all park our cars for ever and do without light bulbs and we cannot solve the problem on our own.  

      That doesn't mean we shouldn't do our part.  Even the States in the US that bother to try make it clear that with almost no effort people can drop home energy use by 50%.

      That's all great, but we need to a trillion spent in green energy and transport infrastructure and we need to do it in the next ten years.

      I love you stupid fucking fucks. Now stop poking at the dead cat on the table and get back to the issues.

      by JesseCW on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 10:56:23 AM PDT

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      •  yes Jesse and (0+ / 0-)

        we need to get Republicans to agree with this trillion in ten years.

        I personally feel we need much greater effort towards adjusting  our individual "need"/"want" modulators way downwards.  We all are going to learn to settle for less, because there simply IS less to go around when you factor in everyone on the planet.

        I think one of the basic problems is that we humans are trying to run a 21st Century industrial civilization with an 18th Century philosophical system, or even older,  depending on just where you are standing.  In other words,  the problem is software,  not hardware; we humans have to learn better behavior.

        don't always believe what you think

        by claude on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 08:21:42 PM PDT

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        •  Since our party fucked off for two years... (0+ / 0-)

          yes, now we would need Republicans.

          I love you stupid fucking fucks. Now stop poking at the dead cat on the table and get back to the issues.

          by JesseCW on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 10:34:12 PM PDT

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