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  •  after all that hullaballoo, (9+ / 0-)

    shutting down most of Boston, having the cops go door-to-door in full combat gear, and imposing a media blackout during a day-long manhunt...

    It turns out that the kid was found AFTER the police had called off the manhunt, by a guy who stepped out of his house for a cigarette and saw Tzarnaev hiding out in his boat.

    If that boat owner had stayed inside for fear that he would get shot, as the authorities had advised, he would never have spotted Tzarnaev and who knows? The manhunt might still be going on.

    I don't remember this kind of wildly disproportionate response to the Oklahoma City bombings or the Atlanta Olympic bombings. There was danger, but the authorities didn't overreact to that danger. There was no mass shutdown of a city, there were no door-to-door searches. People didn't let fear rule their lives. But that was before 9/11.

    America has changed in the last 13 years. It is really unrecognizable now compared to how it was.

    What I find most troubling is that people simply complied unquestioningly with the police's request to stay in their homes. The authorities didn't need to compel people with the force of law--the fear of the bomber was compulsion enough for them to confine themselves to their homes and give up their daily lives. They didn't have to be imprisoned; they willingly imprisoned themselves.

    Fear has infected the soul of America. Because we are afraid, we submit to the president running a private assassination program, we submit to Gitmo remaining open, we submit to unlimited government surveillance, we submit to the police turning an entire city into a war zone to catch two guys.

    I ask, is there anything the American people won't submit to in the name of security? Prove it to me. Because I have seen nothing but submission after submission.

    "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

    by limpidglass on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 02:36:14 AM PDT

    •  We are a nation of Insecurity. I also wondered if (1+ / 0-)
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      that many people were involved with the hunting of Bin Laden?

      It's just all so Bizarre and pitiful.

      "Time is for careful people, not passionate ones." "Life without emotions is like an engine without fuel."

      by roseeriter on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 02:40:51 AM PDT

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    •  Uh, the police did not call off the manhunt. (4+ / 0-)

      The manhunt continued without pause until the suspect was located.

      "It turns out that the kid was found AFTER the police had called off the manhunt."

      "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

      by Bob Love on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 03:18:37 AM PDT

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      •  imprecise wording on my part, I suppose (0+ / 0-)

        certainly they were still looking for him, but they had ended the lockdown before he was caught.

        The standoff began just before 7 p.m., minutes after Massachusetts State Police announced that they had completed their door-to-door search in Watertown without locating Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
        Also:
        The street where Tsarnaev was arrested, fell just outside the 20 block perimeter established for a door-to-door search. Police said that home was not part of the original search.

        Armstrong described a flurry of police activity that erupted moments after police wrapped up a press conference in which they lifted a day-long lockdown in Watertown, Boston and several surrounding communities.

        "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

        by limpidglass on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 03:33:52 AM PDT

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        •  It's OK - you can always work for CNN (1+ / 0-)
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          ;-))

          The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

          by ctexrep on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 04:07:34 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah. Lord knows when the police tried to (3+ / 0-)

          keep my friends and neighbors from getting shot and blown up by requesting a common sense thing, they were really screwing up. LIBERTY!

          "Every now & then your brain gifts you with the thought, 'oh, that's right, I don't actually give a **** about this.' Treasure it" -- jbou

          by kenlac on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 06:19:30 AM PDT

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        •  I think they ended the lockdown (0+ / 0-)

          Because they may have thought he had access to the media, so would relax and mess up if he thought they weren't looking for him any more.

          It was a way to draw him out.

          Of course, we all know now that he was injured and likely couldn't get around very well, so whether it would have worked or not is moot. As it is, someone going outside noticed something different, and he was caught.

          Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

          by splashy on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 02:06:44 PM PDT

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    •  The only reason the suspect was (4+ / 0-)

      wounded and hiding under that boat was a direct result of the manhunt and the firefights that were part of it. If the police would not have attacked this in the force they did, and shut down transportation, who knows how many more innocent people would have died. You are so obviously wrong in complaining about the police actions in this case.

      •  The 200 or so Rounds of Ammo (1+ / 0-)
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        fired Thursday night; if an innocent bystander(s) "sheltering in their home" as instructed had been wounded or killed, that would be OK with you?

        Not long ago a guy shot and killed his boss in Manhattan; the police response/chase ended up with several bystanders shot by the police.

        "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

        by Superpole on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 05:31:47 AM PDT

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        •  Because, you know, you're far more likely (2+ / 0-)
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          to be shot in your house by police outside of it than you would be if both you and the police were outside of it.

          Does anyone around here thing anything through anymore?

          "Every now & then your brain gifts you with the thought, 'oh, that's right, I don't actually give a **** about this.' Treasure it" -- jbou

          by kenlac on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 06:27:38 AM PDT

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          •  I Guess You Didn't (0+ / 0-)

            read the report of the guy in Watertown who had a bullet pass through the wall of his apartment.

            Wood-framed walls with a thin layer of wood siding don't stop bullets.

            "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

            by Superpole on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 05:54:24 AM PDT

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    •  You found it troubling that police said, (4+ / 0-)

      "Hey, we got a madman running around your community with guns and explosives, and we want you to not end up in his path while we chase him down."

      OK, Sparky.

      "Every now & then your brain gifts you with the thought, 'oh, that's right, I don't actually give a **** about this.' Treasure it" -- jbou

      by kenlac on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 06:26:07 AM PDT

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    •  To be fair, (0+ / 0-)

      a lot of those compliant stay-at-homes were probably more frightened of the ninja-cops in tanks carrying automatic assault weapons than they were of a lone and likely injured mad bomber.

      I mean, it's not like the police are very good shots or anything, even with their handguns. Swaddled in black with guns that can fire a dozen bullets a second, I'd sure stay out of their way!

    •  "Is there anything?" (1+ / 0-)
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      limpidglass

      The 2002 attempt to create a US Stasi failed (Operation TIPS).

      It took me a long time to come up with that example, sadly.

      Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

      by Dogs are fuzzy on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 01:11:59 PM PDT

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