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  •  I have mixed thoughts. (8+ / 0-)

    @For once, the police weren't clubbing and pepper spraying citizens.  
     @At least, they didn't shoot the guy.   He might wish they had.    
     @Why was this handled so differently from 911?   Lessons learned perhaps; or perhaps different people in charge.
     @The gun fight that did happen had bullets flying through homes.  Reminded me of the high speed police chase that ends up with someone getting killed.   Didn't happen, thankfully.
     @For once, the police looked efficient and effective instead of like thugs.  Wonder how the militia types think their little arsenals are going to fight something like that?   Maybe they'll buy drones.  

    Don't know if its my old age, but boy, is the world changing.  I don't recognize this country as the America I grew up in.  

    What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

    by dkmich on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 03:54:21 AM PDT

    •  Its not the country we grew up in. (5+ / 0-)

      That country was shoved in the back of a car in 1980. And hasn't been seen since.

      I miss the 70's.

    •  Efficient and effective? What about those 15 (2+ / 0-)
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      armed and armored officers entering a single-family residence looking for one guy?  HOw many police officers does it take to search a house for one guy?

      I see lots and lots of money sunk into equipment, vehicles and trainings for events that happen, well, once in a lifetime.  But very little thinking along the lines of this:  19, wounded (they participated in the gunfight - did they not know he was wounded?) on foot, alone, in an area soaked with police?  How far would he get?  Where could he go?  Think!

      We're not thinking.

      The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

      by helfenburg on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 04:19:27 AM PDT

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      •  I haven't been following this closely, so (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't know about 15 armed officers invading someone's home.  Hell, they do that every day on drug raids in the cities.

        While I am sorry for the people who got hurt, I don't like the wall-to-wall, non-stop coverage.   It feels like voyeurism.     They aren't taking pleasure from the pain, but they are taking pleasure from the opportunity it gives them to step into the spot light.  At the very least, it is rubber necking.   Why focus on this to the exclusion/diminution of everything else when daily our corporate owned government is indirectly killing and maiming thousands.    

        What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

        by dkmich on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 04:48:56 AM PDT

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        •  Oh we are defintiely taking pleasure from the (0+ / 0-)

          coverage.  One would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to sense that.  It's a movie, but it's real.  The bad guy terrorists (one legal resident since childhood, but foreign born, so Bill of Rights does not apply; the other one a naturalized citizen but foreign born so Bill of Rights does not apply) committed heinous act and are on the run.   Chase ensues.  Bad guy gunned down, other one escapes grasp of about, what, were there about 1,000 cops in Watertown?  I'd like to know how many were on duty and how many vehicles posted to the scene.

          Hollywood doesn't do it better.

          The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

          by helfenburg on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 06:23:16 AM PDT

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      •  Again to be fair, (0+ / 0-)

        the average age of U.S. troops in Vietnam was... (wait for it)... 19. This country obviously considers 19 to be a fine age to send our children off to war to kill or be killed. Old enough to do what they're told, not old enough to judge the rightness or wrongness of the orders.

      •  Searching for someone that blew up a bomb (0+ / 0-)

        and killed people, had bombs and used them against cops, armed and not afraid to shoot at you.  I'd say as many cops as I can get into the house.  

        Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

        by thestructureguy on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 07:51:10 AM PDT

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        •  I'd say overkill. (0+ / 0-)

          The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

          by helfenburg on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 02:49:21 PM PDT

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      •  Searching houses more dangerous than you think (0+ / 0-)

        Clearing a house, according to police tactics instructors, requires at minimum a 4:1 numerical advantage.

        Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

        by Dogs are fuzzy on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 01:20:23 PM PDT

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        •  There's a big difference between 4 to 1 and (0+ / 0-)

          about 15 to one, which is what I saw.  They were allowed into the home by the owner voluntarily and they are looking for one wounded 19-yr-old who had been wounded already and is desperately on the run.  We need to get a grip - no way this number of officers armed and armored to the teeth was warranted.

          The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

          by helfenburg on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 02:51:18 PM PDT

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