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  •  It is the morality that is bothering them. (0+ / 0-)

    There are tons of movies where HIV is the bad thing that happens... it's not an untouchable subject at all.

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    by heybuddy on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 01:13:56 PM PDT

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    •  No there aren't. (1+ / 0-)
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      I can only think of one other major film that used this as "the bad thing that happens": Forrest Gump.  And even that's debatable.  And that was 20 years ago.

      Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

      by pico on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 01:24:27 PM PDT

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      •  we don't want HIV (0+ / 0-)

        associated with only gay men, right? So here Tyler Perry uses it in a heterosexual context, but that's not good enough? You're mad that he made HIV a bad consequence? Really? He showed HIV as a repercussion of irresponsible heterosexual activity. What do you want, only gay characters dealing with it? Do you want it portrayed in a better light? Please.

        As for HIV in pop culture... It's in songs, movies and tv shows. Sorry, but HIV is hardly a taboo topic that nobody will touch. And it is always portrayed as a bad thing.

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        by heybuddy on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 02:32:40 PM PDT

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        •  "Good enough"? What kind of cracked comment (1+ / 0-)
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          is that?  How about simply "people with HIV aren't bad people who deserve what they get"?  Most filmmakers who've tackled the topic recognize this.  To keep this in Perry's universe: he produced Precious, whose main character contracts HIV from rape, and it is no way her fault, and she is not being 'punished' for anything.  (There may be other angles where people found Precious offensive, but the reality of HIV was not one of them.)

          Nobody said it was a taboo topic.  In fact, there's a dearth of discussion of HIV in contemporary film, as if Hollywood's gotten bored with it.

          I recommend, if you haven't read it yet, the 2012 report (pdf) by the Black AIDS Institute, which goes into great detail about the complicated challenges to battling the epidemic-level of infection in the black community: among the biggest?  Stigmatization.  Fear.  HIV is what what bad people get for being bad.  In sum,

          And when the small-minded suggest that stigma and discrimination are more effective HIV control strategies than evidence-based prevention and treatment, we need to oppose them. (57)
          I'd also recommend the documentary Endgame: AIDS in Black America, which aired last year on Frontline.  It goes into detail on this issue of silence and stigma, as well.  The whole thing is online.

          It's very difficult to be invested in a topic like this and not find Perry's treatment of the topic so gross.

          Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

          by pico on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 03:37:50 PM PDT

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          •  Ah, but you've put your finger on it here: (1+ / 0-)
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            To keep this in Perry's universe: he produced Precious, whose main character contracts HIV from rape, and it is no way her fault, and she is not being 'punished' for anything.

            You see, the main character in Precious was one of the "innocent victims of HIV."  She was raped, and thus she is excused from (most) moral judgments.  The rest of us, though, are "guilty" of something, at least in the eyes of people like Perry.  

            Honestly, this discussion makes me feel like I've gone back to the 80s, when I had to listen to a bunch of televangelists, Republicans, and other assorted bigots tell gay men how immoral we were and how AIDS was something we all deserved.   I wish I could say I were stunned to see this kind of argument on a progressive blog, but sadly, I'm not.

            Anyway, recc'd for a great comment.

            "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

            by FogCityJohn on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 07:00:43 PM PDT

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        •  It's the "HIV is punishment" BS again. (0+ / 0-)

          Your comment goes right along with it.  You say:

          He showed HIV as a repercussion of irresponsible heterosexual activity.
          People do things every single day that place them at some risk.  For example, most Americans get into cars and drive on roads, although they are fully aware of the risk that they may be injured or killed while driving.  After all, we have countless traffic fatalities every year.

          Yet no one would say to a person injured in an auto accident, "Your injuries are the result of your irresponsible transportation activity."  (Remember, people can be killed or injured in auto accidents when they are themselves completely blameless.)  The reason we don't say that is because we do not stigmatize driving as an activity.  So although it is indisputably a risky activity, we don't call those who engage in it irresponsible.

          Most people take a different attitude to things like HIV, but that's a reflection of their moral judgment about the behavior through which it is acquired.  Thus they consider HIV a deserved punishment for "sexual irresponsibility."

          "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

          by FogCityJohn on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 06:27:42 PM PDT

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