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  •  I got to take massive exception to this (3+ / 0-)
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    Specifically, black Democrats seem willing to sacrifice parts of the Democratic agenda if it ensures a stronger (only within the Democratic caucus) presence of African Americans in the party.
    because that is a huge blanket statement basically claiming African-Americans are selfish and care about their own advancement instead of the Democratic Party.  It's not news that SOME African-Americans do prize personal advancement over the interests of the party, but plenty of white Democrats do as well.  There was an entire generation of white Democrats in the South (when they still had power) that tried to gerrymander seats designed to elect white Democrats.  More recently, Arkansas Democrats (still very dominated by white politicians) drew a congressional map in the hopes of having three winnable white Blue Dog districts, rather than simply concede a seat and draw something that might actually elect an African-American.

    I've gotten tired of endlessly hearing about how this or that is the fault of African-Americans, they being the single most loyal voting group within the party.  The Democratic Party wouldn't be cracking 45% of the presidential vote if they split 50-50.  And we just expect them to not care about their own levels of representation, despite a history of very brutal suppression and exclusion from politics.

    Anyway.  I like the rest of your map, though it's a bit over-ambitious basing it on 2008 Obama.  If Democrats had the power they might have actually been able to do something like this, with some changes to shore up a few seats.

    •  as this is a diary on Missouri... (3+ / 0-)
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      GloFish, Skaje, jncca comments are limited to the African American legislators in Missouri, Lacy Clay and Emmanuel Cleaver. There were plenty of news reports out at that time that back up what I said. Sorry if you thought I was broadening my "blanket statement" is in reference to the diary topic.

      •  That's a fair response (0+ / 0-)

        Lacy Clay and Emmanuel Cleaver are hardly my favorite congressmen.  I understand now what you meant.  I'm just a little touchy on the issue because there's been a lot of unfortunate generalizations on Dailykos Elections about African-Americans, the VRA, and how districts are drawn.  And in Missouri, I am aware that some of the Kansas City and Saint Louis Democratic legislators (who happen to be African-American), acting under advisement of Clay and Cleaver supported the override of Gov. Nixon's veto of the gerrymander.   In the end it didn't matter because Republicans had 2/3 in both chambers anyway, but there's that.

        •  I appreciate your points (1+ / 0-)
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          You're right....even if the African American legislators hadn't gone along with the map, Republican's could override the veto. Nothing would have changed. This was just a hypothetical  and I know it's not going to happen anytime soon.

          And based on comments, perhaps CD 2 should be shored up by making the map a bit uglier taking CD1 down a few Dem points and CD 2 up a few

        •  Republicans actually didn't have 2/3rds (1+ / 0-)
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          in the state House and specifically relied on those legislators to pass the map, which was really more about preventing an Ike Skelton comeback than anything it would appear.

          •  I stand corrected (0+ / 0-)

            I looked up the composition of the Missouri House and saw that it's 53 Democrats to 110 Republicans, which just barely gives Republicans the 2/3.  I didn't think to check what it was in 2011, which was 58 to 105.

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