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  •  This bill required a 2/3 vote, (5+ / 0-)
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    thanks to Prop-26, which extended the supermajority requirement to adjustments of state fees and penalties, in addition to taxes.

    I still think it's bizarre that California's voters approved this in 2010, the same year we decided to remove the SM requirement for passage of the budget. I suppose the Jarvis Jihad was able to move their troops on Prop-26, while the average voter said, "too complicated - I pass".

    Fortunately, Democrats now have a supermajority. But the passage of SB-140 illustrates just how the 2/3 vote requirement can cripple even the most basic functions of government, including law enforcement.

    This report at Independent Voter News suggests  that the program may be challenge in court over the issue that the "fees" collected by DROS, would be mis-used as a "tax" to fund other state programs.

    Suggestion: the title of the diary suggests that the program is intended to collect "illegal guns" (assault rifles? machine guns?) It would be more informative to say the the funds will help police confiscate weapons from disqualified owners.

    It might reduce the hysteria among the gun-addicts as well.

    “It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing
    he was never reasoned into” - Jonathan Swift

    by jjohnjj on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 12:59:18 PM PDT

    •  john - good point (4+ / 0-)
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      it's not the guns that are illegal, but the possession by people who no longer qualify.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 02:24:32 PM PDT

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      •  but I fail to see how an outstanding warrant (0+ / 0-)

        is the same thing as a felony conviction. How does that work?

        LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

        by BlackSheep1 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 04:52:00 PM PDT

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        •  BlackSheep - good question (1+ / 0-)
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          My guess is that there is a statute that states if you don't respond to a warrant you lose your right to own a gun until the issue is resolved. I'd go after the felons first.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 05:11:09 PM PDT

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          •  VClib, can you see how that (2+ / 0-)
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            equivalency seems to raise questions of Constitutionality for me?
            A warrant is not a conviction.
            It's not a restraining order, either.

            LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

            by BlackSheep1 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 06:06:14 PM PDT

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    •  Our Party has complete control of all levels (1+ / 0-)
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      of State Government.

      We are well over 2/3rds in both Houses, and that's not likely to change soon.

      I love you stupid fucking fucks. Now stop poking at the dead cat on the table and get back to the issues.

      by JesseCW on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 03:05:40 PM PDT

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      •  No... (3+ / 0-)
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        a California strategist I talked to said there's a good chance we'll lose the state senate in 2014 with Lou Correa being term-limited, and that part of Orange County still in very unfriendly territory for Democrats.  There's a couple other races where our incumbents still have to compete in areas that voted for Romney.  Granted, they were able to win in 2010, but that was before the lines were redistricted.

        I'm hopeful demographic trends will let us keep it, but don't get cocky about this.  We have the slimmest of margins in both houses.

        And don't forget, not all the Democrats elected are progressive.  Correa himself has been Lieberman-lite on certain issues in the past.  And one of the new Democratic Assemblymembers, Steve Fox, ran as a Republican four years ago in the GOP primary.  How much do you wanna trust him on crucial issues?

        •  "The slimmest of margins"? Six? (0+ / 0-)

          The excuses the right wing of this party is willing to make for failure will never cease to amaze me.

          I love you stupid fucking fucks. Now stop poking at the dead cat on the table and get back to the issues.

          by JesseCW on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 04:37:26 PM PDT

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        •  What about the Dem who keeps "not voting"? (0+ / 0-)

          What use is he to progressives?

          I ask him that often, and remind him that he shouldn't expect those of us who went door-to-door and called for him (while we also worked for other Dems) to do so next time around.

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 05:20:40 PM PDT

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        •  Lose the State Senate in 2014? (0+ / 0-)

          With all that is going on in the GOP these days nationally?  

          Who is this California "strategist" you speak of?  The GOP brand in California is going in a downwards spiral and the only hope the GOP has right now.  The only fear we have is to be complacent and slack off so don't assume that we have victory in our hands even with the Democrats controlling both chambers of the State Legislature.

          I think the GOP is continuing to tarnish their legacy that they are making it harder for themselves to win future elections.  Orange County is not quite as red as it used to be but it's still a battle for Democrats.

    •  Thanks (0+ / 0-)

      You're right, and I'll change it.

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      Why are war casualty counts "American troops" and "others" but never "human beings"?

      by Kitsap River on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 03:10:40 PM PDT

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    •  Aren't they technically lawbreakers? (1+ / 0-)
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      If they've been disqualified by a court of law, and still possess guns, then they're breaking the law at that point, aren't they?

      So call them what they are, criminal lawbreakers.  Don't sugarcoat it; that's how we lose in the court of public opinion on these things.

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