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• ##### 719 to 840 kg/m^2(4+ / 0-)

If you go by the figures in Damien Burke's excellent book on the TSR2. Higher than a 747, but lower than a MD-11.

• ##### So that's 17,062 to 19,933 lbft2 ...(0+ / 0-)

in 'old money', then?!

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• ##### Ah...no(4+ / 0-)

The wing area is 702.9 sq-ft(65.30 m^2)
The Normal AUW is 103500 lbs(46980 kg)
The Max. Overload AUW is 120970 lbs(54910 kg)
The Empty Weight is 57200 lbs(25960 kg)

That would make the wing loading between 147 lbs/ft^2 and 172 lbs/ft^2 max and then down to a minimum of 81 lbs/ft^2.

Approach was flown at 180 knots with touchdown at 170 knots from the flight reference cards. That's B-58 speeds, I believe.

TSR2 must have been a rock at low altitudes.

• ##### That's fast(2+ / 0-)
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Dancing Frog, RiveroftheWest

170 was a no-flap approach in a T-38.

If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

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• ##### So it would seem...(2+ / 0-)
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Dancing Frog, RiveroftheWest

...I have figures of Mach 1.1 at 200ft agl - in any weather. Undoubtedly, as MK said, you more or less 'pointed' it at the target and set it loose, but it would have posed a pretty difficult tactical problem to counter, if you were a WarPac senior officer in the field.

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• ##### It probably would have behaved more like...(2+ / 0-)
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shortfinals, RiveroftheWest

a Tornado GR4 with the wings swept back to 67 degrees(Wing loading is 215 lbs/ft^2). It turns pretty wide and likes to balloon over ridges because the TFR has to be set for a hard ride to avoid collision with terrain at speeds of around 580-620 kts. But, it's hard to catch at such a low altitude

The TSR2 wouldn't have been able to get down to 100 ft on TFR like the Tornado, because the radar was having problems acquiring the terrain below 150ft. But, it would have made it difficult for the low wing loaded fighter of the early 60's without look down, shoot down capability to get a shot with it jinking around in the weeds.

• ##### PLUS..I'll bet the gust response at low altitude(2+ / 0-)
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RiveroftheWest, Dancing Frog

of the TSR-2 would be better than that of the 'Fin' ! :)

As an aside, the Tornado had problems in Gulf 1 with the TFR not 'seeing' the tops of sand dunes (ouch!)