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  •  Originally, yes... (5+ / 0-) was going to carry 'Red Beard' composite core weapon (plutonium/uranium) of up to 25kT delivered by LABS, then, eventually 4 x W177 tactical weapons.

    Coventional weaponry, and the crude missiles of the day were also being considered.

    Reconnaissance was a strong point....and there were lots of other roles being thought about when the axe fell.........

    'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

    by shortfinals on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 07:29:38 AM PDT

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    •  sounds like it was a solution searching for a prob (1+ / 0-)
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      It was big, it was loud, it's primary defense was going like heck at 35,000 feet.  Which made it vulnerable like all get out to ground based missiles.

      That same threat killed the B-70, the A-12, et al.

      High and Fast proved to be a bad strategy.

      So, slow and stealthy and low and slow seemed better.

      the TSR-2 like the arrow was gorgeous, but useless.

      Really a set of policy standdowns to avoid
      arms races was better.

      •  Actually, its BIGGEST threat was (5+ / 0-)

        Mach 1.1 at 200 FEET agl ! In any weather. The big, fast,high....was to be part of a HI-LO-HI mission, obviously, plus development of other roles.

        It was perfect for that - didn't need cancelling, needed ordering.

        I doubt that there was a single WARPAC missile system that could have been used against it at that speed, at night, in that era..........before you even factor in any ECM carried.

        Quite simply, it was MUCH.....and I repeat ....MUCH better that you think it was!

        'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

        by shortfinals on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 11:01:14 AM PDT

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        •  running mach 1 at 200 Feet (1+ / 0-)
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          the FB-111 had a TFR radar mode, it was like being strapped inside a cement mixer.  

          I suspect the occasional oak tree would have been fatal.

          •  Enjoy the Bucc vid at Red Flag '78....` (1+ / 0-)
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            Please note a comment froma Bucc driver 'Foldingwings' regarding the conditions at 100 ft agl. Apparantly, the TSR-2 was going to be of the same order. (The Buccs were pulling 500 mph, admittedly) (I knew a couple of the guys from 'Shiney 12')

            'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

            by shortfinals on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 09:48:34 PM PDT

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            •  TSR2 looks like it had higher wing loading (0+ / 0-)

              the Buccaneer was relatively lightly loaded

              put a load of stores on, and a lot of this becomes

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