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  •  So what language should we... (2+ / 0-)
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    Dirtandiron, burlydee

    ...use to describe where we are now that would properly describe the place we are in now and motivate people to action.

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 09:37:08 AM PDT

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    •  Student patrol state? Sneaky Brother state? (4+ / 0-)

      Neighborhood Watch Fascism?... Police state lite is not far wrong... when it is all headed away from democracy in the wrong direction into the darkness... and it is not all dark yet at what point can one say you have arrived at a functional equivalent to some sort of borderline Police state?... how many elements need to be in place at least in at a developmental level for it to be apparent that the next steps are almost inevitable and would best be described as an early form of police state.

      There have been and are plenty of "authoritarian-lite" regimes... many now gone that seemed very congenial to visit and seemed quiet and pretty much repression free, unless you met the right people, looked beyond the bland facade and saw the fear and how the repression worked and the means it used.

      Many are on the road in the right direction in more recent years but still are not all the way to a functioning plural democracy since they never were in the past... the opposite... a more open society going into autocracy is rarer but there are examples... but there has never so far been a long term modern democracy being eroded and devolving into dictatorship...

      The Roman republic turning into an empire ruled by an absolute ruler is an archaic example but worth studying... it actually took centuries for all the safeguards and restraints to be removed one after another... slowly enough that each generation forgot what they lost and made changes or accepted changes as being sensible and without danger.

      An early warning that is taken seriously is far more likely to prevent de-evolution to dictatorship than pooh poohing the very idea that a nation could go step by step into the darkness... but of course early warnings are not taken seriously and later ones do not make sense to those habituated to the additional steps...

      Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

      by IreGyre on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 10:38:03 AM PDT

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      •  "1776", anyone? (2+ / 0-)
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        eXtina, IreGyre

        Specific reference, the petty debate over the wording of the claim of deprivation of the benefits of Trial by Jury.

        One smug Congressperson from Delaware: "We have always had trial by jury."

        Adams (curtly): "In Massachusetts we have not."

        End result, the insertion of the mealy-mouthed phrase "in many cases". :-P

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 11:22:03 AM PDT

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    •  language and "Police State" (0+ / 0-)

      I see the semantics and the phenomenology of this as a "Rule of Law" issue.

      In the United States, we are seeing wider swaths of the most powerful people, institutions, corporations etc. acting above the law with full knowledge that their criminality will go unpunished.

      Conversely, many within our society are subjected to either the abuses of those who are above the law and/or we are subjected to selective enforcement of laws and legal process to which other elements of society are totally immune.  

      A police officer criminally assaulting a protester/voter/citizen etc. - knowing that he is above the law and unanswerable to laws that, ostensibly apply to all of us -- is a gross demonstration of the bigger problem.

      sláinte,
      cl
      -- Religion is like sodomy: both can be harmless when practiced between consenting adults but neither should be imposed upon children.

      by Caoimhin Laochdha on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 06:15:21 PM PDT

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