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  •  Huh? (2+ / 0-)
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    FrankRose, PavePusher
    The things which you so dearly and irrationally won't allow to be regulated in any fashion
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    What? Guns are quite regulated. And that was just the first irrational and incorrect comment i ran into. The I get the inevitable

    "guns kill..." Inanimate objects do nothing.

    But as you say, it is a perosnal rant. So I stopped at that point.

    Good luck. With whatever it is you are trying to say.

    •  A person gets killed by a rockslide - what hap'd? (1+ / 0-)
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      PsychoSavannah

      The rocks became animated but they were inanimate.   Just as inanimate as a gun.  Come on - you can do better than that.  

      The regulation argument too - just like that regulations which state that the corporate tax in America the highest in the world yet the loophole is so massive that GE paid no taxes that means there is not regulation.

      I can walk into a gun show and buy an assault rifle in cash without a background check.

      "Under the terms of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, however, individuals "not engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, or who only make "occasional" sales within their state of residence, are under no requirement to conduct background checks on purchasers or maintain records of sale (although even private sellers are forbidden under federal law from selling firearms to persons they have reason to believe are felons or otherwise prohibited from purchasing firearms [my edit - so in the event I had a prison tattoo on my forehead I might get stopped])."

      All of the regulation went out the window.

      FYI - the bluedog thing is about my dog ... I'm a liberal left winger and proud of it.

      by bluedogsd on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 07:58:21 PM PDT

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      •  And BTW (0+ / 0-)

        The point was - to iterate what I and the vast majority of the anti-gun vote feels and that is this - we know the arguments you make.  We don't consider them valid and they serve to convince no one but your side of the argument and yet we are constantly held to listen to these things over and over again.  And you did it again.  That's was the point.

        FYI - the bluedog thing is about my dog ... I'm a liberal left winger and proud of it.

        by bluedogsd on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 08:11:25 PM PDT

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      •  You can NOT buy an assault rifle legally, anywhere (2+ / 0-)
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        Anyone who claims otherwise is misinformed or lying. The use of "assault weapon" or similar terms is a false euphemism designed to emotionally manipulate the ignorant. NO firearm available to civilians is an assault rifle, period.

        What people erroneously call "assault weapons" are nothing more than semi-automatic rifles usually in the .223 caliber that LOOK similar to 5.56mm fully automatic military assault rifles. That similarity in appearance is a selling point for people who think that they look badass. Functionally, they're not the real thing at all.

        For an analogy, think of those fiberglass kits they sell to build fake supercars with. It ends up looking (mostly) like a Lamborghini or Ferrari but underneath is a Pontiac Fiero or Volkswagen Beetle. It's all show and no go. That is what a civilian assault STYLE rifle is to a real military issue weapon.

        Virtually every hunting rifle in existence is semi-automatic and has been for decades. The most popular is the .30-06 caliber, which is basically equivalent to the 7.62 military caliber. These rifles, designed to take down large game such as deer, razorback hogs and bears are vastly superior in range and stopping power than a .223 "assault style rifle" and have the exact same rate of fire. It doesn't LOOK as intimidating, but it's far deadlier.

        Ignorant anti-gun zealots want to ban the weaker weapon based on it's appearance while letting the far stronger one slide. And they wonder why those of us with a working knowledge of firearms facts think they're the last people who should be making decisions about firearms.

        PS: I do not and have never owned a gun. My education comes from research done as a writer, without ever being a gun owner myself. If I can become knowledgeable on the subject, so can anyone. Those who choose willful ignorance instead are not justified in condemning what they do not understand.

        "Is there anybody listening? Is there anyone who sees what's going on? Read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling. Think for yourself, and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet." --Geoff Tate, Queensryche

        by DarthMeow504 on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 11:35:14 PM PDT

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        •  Not entirely accurate. (1+ / 0-)
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          While the vast majority of black rifle owners do not own an assault rifle it is possible with an intense background check, large amounts of money (10k+), and the permanent voiding of your 4th amendment rights - to  get an actual select fire low caliber rifle which is what an assault rifle is.

          •  Interesting (1+ / 0-)
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            I was not aware that this was possible, even with the intense restrictions you cite.

            However, the fact remains that the firearms targeted by proposed so-called "assault weapons bans" are not anything of the sort.

            "Is there anybody listening? Is there anyone who sees what's going on? Read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling. Think for yourself, and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet." --Geoff Tate, Queensryche

            by DarthMeow504 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 09:35:46 PM PDT

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            •  The AR-15's and cheap AK knockoffs (1+ / 0-)
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              DarthMeow504

              use technology that is fundamentally around a century old.  They are obtain the same rate of fire as any other semi-automatic firearm much like the double action cowboy revolvers.

              This is a decent list of the actual steps in the process:
              http://www.ehow.com/...

              Most full-auto firearms (that you would be comfortable to test fire) start at around 5k-7k and go drastically up from there and this doesn't include any of the costs of the BATFE rigamarole.

      •  man, you really need to get some information (2+ / 0-)
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        pengiep, PavePusher

        you cannot walk into a anywhere and buy an assault rifle.

        Can you tell me (best estimate according to DOJ) how many criminals purchase guns at a gun show? I'll wait...

    •  Lame rhetorical dodge. (0+ / 0-)

      No one believes that inanimate objects act.  They are tools, designed for use by human beings.  That use is always implied in any discussion.

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