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  •  Actually, there is a recovery and it IS real (0+ / 0-)

    And it's been happening for ages now.  In the Bay Area, the economy is red hot right now (at least in the San Francisco and it's easier for unemployed and long-term unemployed to get employed because of networking opportunities.

    On the other hand, there are regions around the U.S. that are hurt badly and would have recovered much sooner had the GOP not blocked important pieces of job legislation.  I know further down in Southern California people are hit badly, namely in the Inland Empire, San Bernardino and Imperial areas.

    I've been reading these diaries since 2009 and to be frank, they're pointless unless they offer real tips to job seekers like effective networking opportunities and tools.

    If you're in a particular industry, it helps to get involved in an association.  For instance, your local chamber of commerce or maybe an association where you're industry is based in.

    On the other hand, it depends on the industry.  I'm in the marketing area and while it's competitive, it's VERY much employable in the Bay Area and there are loads of people looking to move here thanks to the economy.

    •  I'm in the Bay Area. Thanks for the chuckle :) n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

      by karmsy on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 08:57:18 AM PDT

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      •  I'm getting tired of this B.S. (0+ / 0-)

        I'm serious and really getting more pissed every single day a pessimistic article or news story comes out from CNN or others, I wonder if these cynics are living in a bubble.

        The only reason why Paul Krugman seems to be writing this article is because last month's employment levels were much lower than expected.  So NOW we're in a recession again!

        Literally, just go to the SF Business Times and see the results.  And the SF Business Times doesn't B.S.

        •  So what if you're (2+ / 0-)
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          getting pissed off because you think everyone should be experiencing your experience.

          If BO and the dems had done some significant stimulus, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

          The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

          by dfarrah on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 09:31:30 AM PDT

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          •  Hold on a sec there (0+ / 0-)

            This has nothing to do with other people's experience.  This is a New York Times article and its assessment.  If Paul Krugman wants to go as far as staying all the jobs it seems are frickin low paying, he's got to be kidding himself.  I work with recruiters in the staffing industry ALL the time and there ARE higher paying jobs and there are LOTS of good ones being hired.  

            And to point into your direction, sir, I do business networking quite a lot in the San Francisco/Bay Area three-four times a week.  The economy is growing.  Even long term unemployed are getting back to work.  It's taking longer than expected but this is NOT 2009, um-kay?  I remember in March 2009 everyone around me in business was talking about restructuring or worrying about their jobs.  Not as much anymore.

            My assessment of Krugman's articles is in no way based on my current situation.  I've been out of work for more than two months but I am still getting active in regular marketing volunteer roles and interviewing.  Does that mean no one will hire me?  No it doesn't.  The market is just competitive and I'm afraid there are plenty of others (and it's true) who are having difficulty getting back to work than others because of experience level.

            I meet with a regular career coach every Monday for two hours and as it turns out, she used to recruiter for Netscape.  She gives me all these tricks of the trade in executive coaching which enable me to do more effective job searching on LinkedIn and better present myself even with the experience I have.  If there's anyone who understands the economy and the hiring process these days, it's my career coach and she's right on the money.

            Barack Obama and Democrats would have done as much stimulus as before in February 2009 if the frickin Tea Party did not win in November 2010.  Since then, Congress has been gridlocked.  Democrats are in part to blame for Nov 2010 but so are the GOP.

        •  On a personal note, (1+ / 0-)
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          I am normally the first person to decry "defeatism," as a response to difficult circumstances. Generally, I am a Pollyanna, quick to brandish a "fighting spirit" and to side with people like you. In this case, I am NOT siding with you. I am chuckling ruefully.

          Maybe, as much as anything, I am chucking at the hideous timing of my own life.

          I am in my late 40s. I have spent a lot of my adult life under-employed. While some of this has been my own fault, and due to my own personal issues, a lot of it, in hindsight, has been the direct consequence of long-term erasure of living-wage jobs from the economy. When I graduated from college in the 1980s, the "career planning and placement" focused on "self-sufficiency." It was noted matter-of-factly that "the economy was changing," and "conventional jobs were disappearing." To survive and prosper, you had to have "a good attitude" and to be "entrepreneurial." You had to give your "all" to the job. (Even so, they could axe you at any time without blinking; reciprocal loyalty, if it had ever existed, by 1987, was dead, dead, dead.)

          I was young. I didn't know enough to ask the hard questions that needed to be asked, about the big picture, or to seek out the company of people who were asking these questions. More troubling to me at the time, I didn't fit 1980s employment ideals. I wasn't "entrepreneurial." I didn't want to "give my all" to my work.

          Make a long story short, I ended up in a long-term pattern of underemployment.

          (2 be continued. I must run off now.)

          It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

          by karmsy on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 09:47:05 AM PDT

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          •  I understand folks in your situation as well... (0+ / 0-)

            Believe me, I do.  There are long-term unemployed showing up at the weekly Job Connections event in Danville, CA every week from 9 am - 11 am and they need it for support.

            Understand, I respect Paul Krugman a great deal.  I really do.  But he's just not evaluating his assessment on a region to region basis.  He's looking at things nationally and that is fine but that's all the frickin news I'm hearing all the time:  Recovery too slow, unemployed, under employed.  I've been hearing this crap since 2009 and I'm sick to death of it.

            Now I am not discounting where Krugman is getting his data.  I believe his unemployment and under employment figures are correct but he should be very careful when he says the opportunities companies seem to hiring for now are in the low-paying range.  If he wants to make that assessment on a national basis, well, then that's avoiding the growth that's going on in San Francisco.

            And I'm sorry but I'm not going to be quiet about this.  CNN, MSNBC and other outlets do such a piss poor job at reporting real positive news in the economy that might bring a light at the end of the tunnel for job seekers.  The reporting is done in such an airheaded way although MSNBC does occasionally do a good job at real jobs added but mostly in a political argument.  If you want real reports of economic news, go to the SF Business Times or local news stations.  Never turn to national news outlets because of course, they are very corporate in attitude.

            Do you hear anyone on the national news talking about the loads of networking options for business professionals?  No.

            Do you ever hear anyone on the national news talking about the applicable events people could attend to get better experience and stay in the game?  No.

            Do you ever hear anyone on the national news talk about all these networking apps that can automate business networking experience?  No.

            Do you hear ANY national news talking about the tech boom in the San Francisco area and Silicon Valley that's got many people across the country and the world wanting to move to San Francisco?  No yet I go to networking events and Meetups every week and the economy is on fire here and is only going to get better.  It just needs more opportunities as any city can never get enough opportunities.

            Here's a point of reference:  I'm building networking prospects every single day both at networking events and through LinkedIn.  I do contribute on Daily Kos but rather than venting like others do and read Paul Krugman like the world is going to end, I keep myself busy.  I have to in this market.  Getting employed and furthering my career (not to mention my MBA program) is priority but I also like to lend a hand to anyone looking for work and needing connections.

            As for more stimulus, oh you bet it's needed right now, especially with the sequestration going on.  That's why I am going to work my ass off to defeat as many in the GOP in 2014 as humanly possible so those jerks don't ever see any work in government again.

          •  Where were we in this rather dismal narrative? (1+ / 0-)
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            Oh, yes! Long-term underemployment, admittedly partly due to my own issues, but due largely to disappearing living-wage jobs. (A disappearance that isn't supposed to matter, I guess, if you "get in touch with your passion." The money will follow. That's what the job-hunting books have said since the 1980s, right? Yeah.)

            To fast-forward, in about 2006, after a long stint as a substitute teacher, across all grades and subject areas, I decided to be a classroom teacher. For the first time in my life, I had what felt like a vocational "fit." This, after all, was a livelihood I was getting into on purpose. I had enough self-knowledge to know how my skills and interests would enhance the field. I had enough knowledge of the field that I was getting into it few or no illusions. I wasn't going to burn out. I was in it for the haul. After many hurdles, I got my teaching certification in 2010. And then the market for new teachers crashed, and crashed big. It was unprecedented in my lifetime, or in the memories of people my parents' age, this public-sector train-wreck. I'm in a teaching specialty where my phone, just a few years ago, would have been ringing off the hook. Now, nothing. I'm doing everything a reasonable person in my position would do to land work, including being willing to relocate. But I'm unemployable. With student loans :)

            You wonder why I sound bitter? You wonder why I read remarks like yours, and smirk? Here's the kicker: You wonder how many other personal stories out there, sound strikingly like mine?

            I hope you do.  

            It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

            by karmsy on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 12:32:00 PM PDT

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            •  Personal? (0+ / 0-)

              Wait a second.  My assessment of the economy is on actual data from the SF Business Times.  If you want to point out inaccuracies from the SF Business Times, go right ahead.  You're more than entitled to.  Understand though, what the heck have you explained to me that you've done in your job search, networking in such that I'm not doing?  Or have you been doing the same thing as I have?

              I would have thought someone like yourself or others might actually want to ask me, "Can you help me?"  Instead, you prefer to vent and put my arguments down as if I'm using my own personal stories for the basis of my argument.  I'm NOT.

              Again, I am NOT using personal stories of my own to evaluate the job situation.  I'M STILL UNEMPLOYED OKAY?!

              Just go on the frickin Eventbrite, Meetup and other outlets and search for "business" or "networking" keep yourself busy instead of being on Daily Kos.

              And I'm sorry but I'm living in the Bay Area my whole life.  I'm a Berkeley native, graduate of Berkeley High, the best high school in the Bay Area and am a progressive Democrat who has been through rough times myself not related to this current economy or related.  And on that student loan front, gosh, it needs to be reformed.  The whole UC Berkeley and CSU system is getting the short end of the stick.  Maybe that's why I'm going to University of San Francisco instead as it's private and boy, it's a bargain compared to most schools.

              God, I feel like I'm wasting my time writing my responses here.  I could be out following up with the number of marketing professionals who I have to connect with who are job seekers and employed professionals or e-mailing back the recruiters I deal with on a day-to-day basis who get me set up with interviews all the time.  My association has a marketing event tomorrow we have to fill attendance with and we're working our butts off and doing so and we have people from Marketo and Vertical Response speaking.  All the nature of being in the marketing profession.

              Anyway, keep up the fight.  You're not alone.  I'm actually planning on being a professional networking expert once I'm employed so I'll be of service to any of you Kossacks who want to look for a job.  In fact, I plan on starting a company myself while I'm in my MBA program to use technology to put people back to work.  I get sad every day to see someone getting unemployed or under employed and I want to help out.

      •  I meant jobs added, not employment levels (0+ / 0-)
    •  To be clear, (0+ / 0-)

      the unemployment rate for SF County was 6.0% at most recent measure. While that's certainly not bad, with respect to the "SF Business Times"- and you- that's hardly "red hot."

      Also, heading east from SF, Alameda County's rate is 7.7%, Contra Costa County's is 7.8%, Solano's 8.9%, Yolo's 11.1%, Sacramento County's 9.2%.

      For readers unfamiliar with the SF Bay Area, Sacramento (in Sacramento County, eponymously enough) is located roughly 1.5 hrs. from San Francisco barring traffic. Alameda County contains Oakland, another huge city in the Bay Area.

      Another thing that each of the five counties above contains is housing- and retail business- for virtually everyone who actually works in SF County.

      While SF might no longer be in a state of freefall- and the Bay Area is doing "better" than the rest of northern California, life is still really, really hard for most folks who live here. And, yes, that includes the hip folks who are fortunate enough to have won this generation's employment sweepstakes.

      And congrats on that, by the way.

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