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  •  Do you also love your shoes and other (1+ / 0-)
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    inanimate stuff, maybe some photos or icons?

    And i see no definition that says 'unquestioning support and "devotion" are what it is all about - "My country right or wrong".
    Perhaps, but that is how it is used and always has been used, so perhaps that's what "devotion" to an inanimate object entails.

    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

    by enhydra lutris on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 11:55:21 AM PDT

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    •  really? (0+ / 0-)

      "... and always has been used". There is no other definition or usage you can come across? And you said i should read? Wow.

      You have a taken a few extreme uses of the term, which rightly offend you, and decided that is what it means. You are going to let the names of two bills define your terminology?

      A country isn't inanimate. It is made up of people.

      •  The country is inanimite, (0+ / 0-)

        part land, part water, with specificied boundaries and airspace, embassies, treaties, laws and a history, a history of genocide, murder, unprovoked aggression, colonialism, imperialism, and, since WWII, if you include proxy wars, endless warfare and endless assaults by the "patriotic" on peaceniks, socialists, lefties and other "unpatriotic" types for not towing the "My country right or wrong" line which, since you seem unfamiliar with it, is from one of our early and very famous heroes, famous in part for that little bit of "patriotism".

        The patriot missile (not a bill) and the patriot act are simply examples of how the word is really used, as are the actions and statements of the extreme right wing, not causess of anything. I knew that I was not a patriot before I even learned of Viet Nam, because I don't like unthinking devotion to anything, especially an inanimate object. What a word means, fwiw, depends upon current usage whenever that deviates rom dictionary usage for a sufficiently extended period, such as happened in this country since at least the fifties.

        That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

        by enhydra lutris on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 05:14:25 PM PDT

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        •  Jeez if you hate this place so much (0+ / 0-)

          I hope you have some meds to get you through the day.

          •  You should have just used your 'whatever' retort. (0+ / 0-)
          •  No hate involved, don't project. (0+ / 0-)

            That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

            by enhydra lutris on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 07:53:49 AM PDT

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            •  Ok, dislike? Unhappy with? (0+ / 0-)

              I certainly didn't see anything positive in the responses.

              •  It may surprise you to learn that there are (0+ / 0-)

                many of us whose emotional responses are not limited to a simplistic love or hate dichotomy, but who are capable of a wide range of complex emotions.

                More importantly, many of us are capable of something other than a purely emotional response to things, even completely non-emotional responses. As I have tried to indicate, many of us consider emotional responses to be completely inappropriate for inanimate objects. I do not love or worship or feel devotion to, or hate or abjure things; shoes, diamonds, ikons, clothing or bits of territory.

                Some of us also try to be objective and hence not good cheerleaders. If the truth is objectionable to you, fine, but it is not wrongdoing of any type to tell it. If you prefer some alternate reality, fine, but that is not my problem and does not make objectivity wrong in any sense whatsoever. Such is life, sorry.

                That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

                by enhydra lutris on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 09:39:43 AM PDT

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                •  dude (0+ / 0-)

                  I get it. You don't love anything but people.

                  Ot may surprise you but some people DO have pride in the good things about this country including the millions of great people that are a part of it. We are not cheerleaders. We don't make emotional responses. We are objective. And seek and treasure the truth. The truth is that this country, for all its flaws is also a great place. This country is based on a great idea, not the whim of the current caretakers.  If that isn't something you can comprehend then I am sorry.

                  •  The great idea of murdering the indigenous (0+ / 0-)

                    population to steal their land and importing slaves from abroad to work it? Perhaps the idea that all free males are equal, unless indentured, and that any such who are landholders should vote to elect their government? Manifest destiny? 54-40 or fight? The only good (   ) is a dead (     )? Which of these is the great idea?

                    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

                    by enhydra lutris on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 10:51:18 AM PDT

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                    •  All men are created equal (0+ / 0-)

                      Representative democracy
                      Three coequal branches
                      Federalism
                      The Constitution
                      The 27 amendments
                      Freeing billions from oppression
                      The capacity to progress socially, politically, and policy wise peacefully.
                      I could go on.

                      Now I'll ask is there anything you DO like about this country?

                      •  Yes. But real stuff, unlike freeing billions (0+ / 0-)

                        from oppression which never happened.

                        That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

                        by enhydra lutris on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 08:09:44 AM PDT

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