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  •  Awww! Did this diary (0+ / 0-)

    hurt your itty feewings?

    •   Joieau, you know this 'diary' is (0+ / 0-)

      nonsense. I don't defend stupid pro-nuclear crap, you shouldn't defend sh*t when it shows up on your side of the argument.

      Dr. Isaac Asimov: "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny ...'"

      by davidwalters on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 08:08:37 AM PDT

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      •  Au contraire, mon ami! (0+ / 0-)

        I think there's a significant issue with nukes and big storms (inland or on the coast), as well as with sea level rise. Since so many of our coastal nukes will be flooded, increasingly often, by ever worsening storms. Not to mention what happens when the lights go out.

        I do not forget the fact that the Tuscaloosa tornadoes a couple of years ago caused Station Black-Out for all three antique GE Mark I/IIs at Browns Ferry, or that it took eleven days to get them hooked back up. Luckily only one EDG crapped out, but that was enough to cause some serious concern at unit-1. Which has never been much to brag about in its long lifetime.

        As for the Turkey, I am indeed concerned about an increased power output and exactly what that means. It's as old and decrepit as any of our other past-their-prime (and licensing lifetimes) pressure cookers. 10:1 they've done nothing to ensure the vessel itself can handle the increase, that associated systems are up to the task, etc. It's true that most people don't know that much about the technology to quantify the meaning of stuff like this, but the industry isn't doing better these days with honest information either.

        Thus despite the concerted effort at character assassination, I'll agree with the recently ex-chairman of the NRC - they ALL need to be shut down.

        •  Joieau, you dont get an increase in pressure, you (0+ / 0-)

          get an increase steam flow, which is why the turbines can put out more energy at the same pressure. You need to read the applications. You would find that pressure vessel ratings for both pressure and flow are included and have to be documented that they can stand up to the greater steam flow. The weaker points are not the RPV but the tubes within it (increased velocity can lead to leaks at the u-bends) and the main steam leads to the turbine itself. The vessel can usually stand many times the small incremental pressure increases.

          These not past their prime as the ability of these reactors to go beyond their license period is well established. At any rate, the sooner the AP1000s can get built then the flexibility to decommission the older plants is in order (so long as they can't run another 20 years ago. Don't bet they won't).

          Dr. Isaac Asimov: "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny ...'"

          by davidwalters on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 12:59:14 PM PDT

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          •  We all know there's a "slight (0+ / 0-)

            difference of opinion" about the safety of nukes between the for-profit industry and the people who are honestly concerned about the many things that can go wrong - and occasionally do. People get to make up their own minds about that, no doubt you'll convince some. I've probably never convinced anybody of anything in my life. So it's not like you've got any real competition.

            If I had my d'ruthers you wouldn't get another 20 years. I'd let them all go straight to decommissioning now that their design basis lifetimes are over just for the 'new and improved' plate tectonics knowledge nobody believed in when they built the suckers. Though I'd go ahead and immediately shut down all the Fukushima look-alikes right now, as Germany righteously did. Not that I don't know y'all have lots and lots of bullshit arguments about how Fukushima demonstrated just how perfectly safe these suckers really are. I heard those same damned arguments about TMI2 back in the day. Wasn't true then, isn't true now.

            But do keep on trying. Lord knows trying to hawk nukes in a place like DKos is a thankless job...

            •  Don't be blind...are numbers increasing as (0+ / 0-)

              every rec and poll has shown. MORE importantly, pro-nuclear sentiment is again increasing despite the lies told about nuclear.

              Oh yeah...those tsunamis in Bavaria...gotta watch out for those.

              Dr. Isaac Asimov: "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny ...'"

              by davidwalters on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 02:36:35 PM PDT

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