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  •  Actually, I don't any suggested reading tips (0+ / 0-)

    But thanks anyway. I actually have a shit ton of history books that I read daily, because I'm a fan of history, and can probably tell you more about history than you were aware of, so please don't lecture me.

    Not to mention, I'm not "afraid" of him having a trial, I just think it's completely not needed in this case, as I've stated before. I actually wish he was shot on sight, just like I wish James Holmes was shot on sight. These assholes think its funny to murder random people and ruin peoples lives, and then hide behind a bunch of rights that they disrespected in the 1st place.

    Actually, it is NOT laws that define what our country is. People break laws every day at every level, from top officials to homeless bums to people who live together before they're married (which is actually against the law in several areas). The argument isn't about following "the laws", but realizing which laws are necessary and which laws are NOT necessary. I'm not saying we need to get rid of all of our laws, but if this guy was caught in the act of escaping, I can't imagine him being innocent, as with Holmes. So why waste time trying him when we have so many more important things to do?

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    by Guile Of The Gods on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 12:21:23 PM PDT

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    •  justice is not an outcome (6+ / 0-)

      it is a process.

      I think that's the first point where your thinking gets off track.

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 12:41:43 PM PDT

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    •  For someone who does a lot of reading of history (9+ / 0-)

      You have a lot to learn... And tough if you're too proud to admit it. You might consider that the rest of the commenters in these threads have read a lot more, learned a lot more, and understand a lot more than you do.

      You'd mentioned up-thread that you'd hoped to be a lawyer, so hopefully, you will attend a lot of lectures on the subject.

      If this guy pleads guilty, there will essentially be no trial - just as you wish. But, he has that option.

      And yes, laws do define just what our country is, what we stand for, who we are... The fact that people break these laws drives home that fact even more. We don't tolerate law-breakers in our society, and punish them accordingly (or at least ought to). When laws are changed to say... outlaw slavery... that indeed changes our society in a big way. I might have over-stated that it is "only" laws that define our society (many other things contribute as well), but our laws are  huge part of it.

      If our system of justice is simply left up to "what you can imagine", we're in a pretty sorry state. That's how things worked in the middle-ages. I hope that we've come some way from that.

      Freedom isn't free. So quit whining and pay your taxes.

      by walk2live on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 02:04:00 PM PDT

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      •  The fact is that the Founding Fathers (6+ / 0-)

        Added the Fifth Amendment to the Bill Of Rights specifically because they had come out of a world where the actions that GOTG is advocating were acceptable, and they knew from experience what the consequences of that were.

        I'm not advocating a trial for the bomber out of sympathy, or because (in GOTG's words) "I'm OK with him blowing peoples legs off", but because I'm concerned not just for my rights, but the rights of my children and my children's children. Once a fundamental right has become something that can be abrogated by fiat for anyone we don't like, then none of us are safe.

      •  You did not 'over-state' it in the slightest, in (3+ / 0-)
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        my opinion. I would like to offer a slight annotation to your comment. I think even if Tsarnaev pleads 'gulty,' there must still be a trial where a judge determines that he is mentally competent to understand the charges and enter a plea to them, that his plea is not coerced and that the evidence actually supports a plea of guilty. It's pretty much a formality, as you note, but still a part of 'Due Process.'

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