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  •  Are you old enough to remember the case of the (6+ / 0-)
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    Central Park 5 and the 'wilding' incident in Central Park? Everyone then knew they had raped that jogger in Central Park, so much so that the NYPD felt just fine with coercing confessions from at least 1-2 of the 5.

    Then about 10 years ago the forensics were examined with DNA testing and, wouldn't you know it, all 5 were exonerated definitively. (Not sure what happened to the intrepid NYPD officers who coerced confessions and the NY prosecutors who suborned perjury and injustice.)

    There's a fucking reason we have an adversarial system of justice and if you're going to be a Civil Rights lawyer, it behooves you to learn some history first.

    •  Yeah, sorry, but we're in a new era, where we (0+ / 0-)

      have footage of the guy dropping the bombs down. Maybe if this was 10 or 20 years ago, I would agree with you, but THIS SITUATION is a different situation, and we saw the footage of him doing, and he was caught in the act of escaping and I just don't think he deserves the same rights as others.

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      by Guile Of The Gods on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 12:52:26 PM PDT

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      •  Colin Powell with George Tenet sitting right (6+ / 0-)
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        him claimed we had indisputable footage of Iraqi mobile WMD labs. Yah, right.

        Rights are not something one 'deserves.' There's a reason the Declaration of Independence called them 'inalienable.'

        •  The fact that a fellow with so little regard (10+ / 0-)

          for the rule of law, and the rights granted by the Constitution, wants to be a Civil Rights Lawyer is deeply disturbing.

        •  Again, I'm ONLY talking this EXACT situation (0+ / 0-)

          involving the Boston Bomber. I'm not saying that I'm right. In fact, this is one of the only things I come out saying I know I'm wrong, but...

          I know I'm wrong, and this position I would never take in any professional setting, just online and in chats with my friends, because I know I'm wrong, but I just don't see any point in keeping this guy alive. Am I right? No, but I just don't like the fact that people died and dozens have lost their legs, dozens who got hurt probably had their lives ruined by all these medical bills and no insurance. All this infuriates me beyond belief, and all I'm reading today is how he is having a trial. That just annoys me.

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          by Guile Of The Gods on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 01:09:43 PM PDT

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          •  Are you right? (4+ / 0-)
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            We don't like what was done, but we also don't lower ourselves to their level.  That's a lot of the point of having a civilization.  For what you propose (even while disdaining it) we might as well go back to the feudal system.  Rule by mob.  Rule by emotion.  Screw objectivity and law and the golden rule and all of that.  Just get out the guillotine.

            I have worked with many attorneys in my life, and some of them think as you do, but they get (and deserve) little respect.

            I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

            by trumpeter on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 04:03:00 PM PDT

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          •  I mentioned Colin Powell for a good reason. He (0+ / 0-)

            too probably knew he was wrong but decided to just go with the flow when the sticking point came because, by God, resigning on principle just isn't done by people in his station in our system.

            So with you. You say "I know I'm wrong . . ., but . . . " A psychologist could have a field day with that little piece of equivocation.

        •  Well said. (0+ / 0-)

          In my opinion, they're inalienable because they derive from natural law (that is, from God) not from human agreements.  There is a great deal of respectable jurisprudence (and legal philosophy) on that idea.

      •  That's not the rule of law, but rule of passion. (2+ / 0-)
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        Most people have a desire to just kill the guy, but we remember how that desire, when unchecked by law, has led to further atrocity wherever it replaces justice.

        “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty Also, I moved from NYC, so my username is inaccurate.

        by jeff in nyc on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 03:52:11 PM PDT

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