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  •  So.. (8+ / 0-)

    you think any Dem is not worthy of support if they in turn support coal.  Good on pretty much every other progressive priority still not good enough for certain one issue voters.
    Not worth pursuing a reasonable conversation when someone has that mentality.

    •  It's a valid point, although (6+ / 0-)

      I don't agree.  Climate change is very important.  Unfortunately, one-issue arguments, no matter hwo justified, are tactially poor.  Until Montana gets off of coal, their reps will be pro-coal.  So will West Virginai.  Even Obama in Illinois talked about the bs of "clean coal."  The prblem is not Schweitzer as much as it is Montana.  

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      by TomP on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 09:46:27 AM PDT

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      •  Until real re-training, miners need jobs. I grew (7+ / 0-)

        up in coal country--Jackson County,  IL.  The mining county next door, Bloody Williamson, was the most violent coal county after Harlan County, KY.  In the late 1920's, 8 scabs were executed in the woods.

        THERE WERE NO OTHER JOBS.

        The energy industry AND workers both need to transition.

        WORKERS 1ST !!

        Love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world..-- Jack Layton

        by sturunner on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 10:08:56 AM PDT

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        •  I know of Bloody (1+ / 0-)
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          Willaimson.  My partner grew up in Franklin County.  Her granfather on her father's side died of black lung.  he mother's father died in a mine cave-in in the late 30s or early 40s.

          There are few coal jobs left.  I think the mine east of Harrisonville (near El Dorado) is still there, but it may be closing.  

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          by TomP on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 10:31:09 AM PDT

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        •  Amen! (1+ / 0-)
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          It's scary how many ostensible progressives either don't give a $#!+ about their fellow citizens, or (to put the best possible gloss on it) are apparently unable to adopt a big-picture viewpoint.
          Not recognizing our responsibilities to our fellow citizens in the here-and-now, along with our responsibilities to the environment and to future generations, is bad policy, and worse politics.
          Thank you for the necessary corrective.

        •  Agreed about retraining. But compare the number... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...of miners now with 25 years ago. And compare how many of those are underground mining jobs as opposed to heavy machinery operators in western strip-mine operations. The jobs have been dwindling because of mechanization and a switch to the West, with Powder River Basin coal (mostly) in Wyoming  producing more than 40% of the total volume of the nation's coal. The BLM reported in 2011 that the basin contributes 13 percent of total U.S. carbon dioxide emissions when that coal is burned.

          Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

          by Meteor Blades on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 10:53:33 AM PDT

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