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  •  Really, you ought to get out to rural (0+ / 0-)

    western Canada to get some perspective.

    I have extended family members in each of northern BC, Alberta, and Saskatchewan and to a person they all loathe Toronto (to the extend that the old timers are big time Canadiens fans - e.g., before there were any NHL teams out there).

    The perception is that you get the "huge, clean, safe, good public transit" at their expense.  Plus, as you were just crowing about, completely free health care, which they don't get.

    •  Not sure what I "ought" to do (0+ / 0-)

      but I would encourage any of your sad family members to try living in the rural US and then see how sad they are...

      •  Yes, go ahead and dis the rural poor! (0+ / 0-)

        I will point them to this interchange and see if their view of Torontonians changes any.

        I suspect that it be reinforced, if anything.

        •  yup, I'm "dissing" them alright... (0+ / 0-)

          oh wait, it's not 1995.

          Alas, no one can accuse me of being a 'Torontonian.' I grew up in south Georgia.

          Not sure why you are so sad. I hope your day turns around. I'm having a great day!

          •  I'm not sad, I'm just gaining new insights (0+ / 0-)

            into my relatives mindset.

            I used to defend Toronto and it's residents.   I'd tell my relatives - heck, I've been there - it's a nice city and the people seemed to be totally cromulent and friendly.

            But now I can see where they're coming from just a little bit more.

            •  I also am gaining some new insights. (1+ / 0-)
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              pragmaticidealist

              I meet lots of people on the internet who believe that "not perfect" = "bad." I'm glad that I (usually) don't have to deal with such people in real life.

              •  Yes, I'm sure you are (0+ / 0-)

                you seem to be somebody who totally enjoys being completely ensconced in a bubble of privilege and not having to deal with your less fortunate country-mates.

                And yes, about the internet vs. real life thing - in Toronto the people I met seemed really nice in real life - but deep down inside I now realize that was probably all just a facade that could not withstand the semi-anonymous, passive-aggressive nature of the internet. . .. .

                •  yep, you got me (0+ / 0-)

                  and Torontonians, and "people esconced in bubbles" and your "less fortunate country-mates," etc. all figured out, don't you? Congrats!

                  When I have exchanged a few lines of text with an anonymous poster I never met, I assume that I know nothing about them. But I think I am pretty normal that way.

                  •  Perhaps an important nuance is that (0+ / 0-)

                    you actually are American (from Georgia, to boot) and not Canadian.

                    Because your posts really do go against even the most hackneyed, stereotypical Torontonian POV (e.g., that Canadians are nice people and not total assholes)

                    Namely, you sit there in the wealthiest city in Canada having your health care paid for in full, calling me a liar when I point out from personal experience that other people in poorer parts of Canada actually suffer financial deprivation from being asked to pay for the 30% of national health care costs that have to come out of pocket from them (which is the figure from Wikipedia but that also jives with personal experience).    And since that is a national figure, and since YOU don't to pay ANYTHING in Toronto, that probably skews the figure even higher for those in remote regions.

                    OK, enjoy your privileged existence - I'm sure you've earned it!  If nothing else, you certainly seem to think you have!!

                    •  I love how you (0+ / 0-)

                      have it all figured out, roadie! Except that you don't. I pay 45% of my salary in taxes to support this healthcare. I am happy to do so.

                      If you are unhappy about the old 'haves' vs the 'have-nots' disparities between provinces, you can have that argument with someone else. As I understand it, Ontario was a net contributor for decades, and only recently became a net receiver. But as a non-Canadian, I'll let others figure that out.

                      What I know -- I pay lots in taxes (and am happy to) and I get good healthcare in return. Why does that make you so very sad?

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