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  •  I'll add to this that many people aren't reacting (19+ / 0-)

    consciously, when it comes to what you note.  it's a society-wide sickness that infects all of us.

    even black males like me.

    This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

    by mallyroyal on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 12:18:23 PM PDT

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    •  that's the endemic aspect. I met it in myself (15+ / 0-)

      a few years back and was amazed at how instantaneous my reaction was.  I always "knew" I wasn't a racist until that fear popped out.   Then I knew -at some level, I'm infected and I need to dig deeper.  

      I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

      by I love OCD on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 12:33:59 PM PDT

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      •  same here. (15+ / 0-)

        and I must stress this again:  I'M BLACK.

        This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

        by mallyroyal on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 12:37:19 PM PDT

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        •  Bc we won't talk abut the real cause: CLASS. (6+ / 0-)

          Imagine if instead of 'black youths commit crime X', the stories over the last 50 years had simply siad the far more relevant: 'poor youths commit crime X'.

          Of course, then we'd have to acknolwedge and maybe do something about how in this country race and poverty are so closely bound.  And, gess, maybe do something about poverty besides demonize LBJs War on Poverty bc empowering poor peole scares the Very Serious People and undermines the New Aristocracy agenda.

          Nah.  Start a campaign in Philadelphia, Miss., blame all our problems on 'welfare queens', take back for the superrich what little the middle and lower classes have managed to get for themselves since FDR and destroy the ability of government to do anything meaningful except give more to the rich.

          Yeah, that'll fix it all!

          •  class actually doesn't enter into what I mean (4+ / 0-)

            all the black males I grew up with were either middle class or upper class, or somewhere in between, and I knew that.

            I'm talking about what society has instilled in us for hundreds of years, wrongheaded as it is:  "race trumps class."

            we have to deal with the society we have, not wish for one that doesn't exist.

            This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

            by mallyroyal on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 01:38:32 PM PDT

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            •  Race has always been class in this country. A larg (3+ / 0-)
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              e(r) black middle class is a recent development.  Even today, minorities are 3 to 6 times as likely to be poor than non-hispanic whites (depending on whihc study you cite).

              But the point you absolutely must understand is that this is a historical bias: for much of US history being black meant being poor and many in power liked it that way since it provided an easy means to control poor whites ('least you ain't no n***, you know how we treat them').  It is not a coincidence that Reagan spoke of the black welfare queen in her Caddy, or the entire 'War on Crime' was directed at young blacks and drugs (i.e., young blacks, cause little white Johnny rarely gets busted and gets probation when he did, unlike his darker friend).  Red-lining blacks into 'poor' neighbors continues to this day, even though its been illegal for 40+ years.  People whith 'black' names suddenly get all sorts of job offers when they instead give 'white' names.

              And even you have really done the poor=black 2step:  Tell the truth, when you think of this black kid you fear is it your firend's face you see, or someone from the 'ghetto' or Projects?

              Don't feel bad if it is the latter, or that the class propaganda has been so good (re-inforced willfully by racist segregation and regional forced-poverty) that even you have been victimized by it.

              •  no the stereotype has always been "black = poor" (1+ / 0-)
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                but it's never been as simple as all that.  my own family history shows that.

                to answer:  as a kid I feared the middle class bullies in my neighborhood.  kids that were enamored with bad behavior because that's what society expected from them.  2 parent household kids, with rec rooms.  like that.

                by the time I started hanging out in "the hood" I was in college (ironic, no?), and I was a nihilistic dancehall and hip hop listening, dreadlock-having badass my damn self, so others probably feared me more than I did them.

                I did a diary about how I was, by nature of my appearance, "suspicious."  it was in the wake of the Trayvon Martin murder.  what I may not have mentioned, while raging about how black men in hoodies are percieved... is that I'd probably consider me, while hooded and scowling, suspicious too... were I anyone else.

                I know what I mean, chris.  it's not "class" for me, when it comes to my unexamined fears.

                This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

                by mallyroyal on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 07:06:28 AM PDT

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                •  Ok, but the single does not = the general here (1+ / 0-)
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                  from all I've experienced, seen, read etc.  I certainly in no way meant to minimize your personal perspective.

                  OTOH, perhaps theirs a lesson there in that I know it as 'poor=black' and you know it as 'black=poor'?  the former is more how the bigots have 'ghetto-ized' poverty so that whites would be less concerned with economic hardship and easier targets for the political party of the privileged (whoever that was at a certain and place) to co-opt, while the later is more of an view from inside the effect of the policies that propaganda produced and that were required to 'validate' same (and which, at least in the first century or so, were exactly what the priivileged - so many of whom - or their families - were slaveholders, related to, beholden to, etc. - the North had a succession of 'minorities' to demonize, the Irish, the Polish, the Italians, but the South always made it about blacks).

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