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  •  Getting to 59 votes (2+ / 0-)
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    If the fire department stands around and lets a building burn, it's the fire department's fault. If the water department provides no water pressure to fire hoses, the water department's fault. I don't blame Obama for being a bad fireman, but he runs an incompetent water department. There was no pressure in the hose because Democrats didn't stick together. That's on the leadership of the Democratic Party. If you want to own an issue, own it 100%, not 90%. If the Senate could have gotten to 59 votes it highlights the wrongness of BOTH the filibuster and the GOP position on background checks.

    The way it played out? Same shit, different day.

    •  90% of the Democrats (3+ / 0-)
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      edrie, pistolSO, BleacherBum153

      voted for the bill and you're complaining because they didn't stick together?
      Even if the four Democrats had voted for it, it would not have passed.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 03:19:59 PM PDT

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      •  Exactly, 59 is not 60. Hence it's mainly the (1+ / 0-)
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        GOP's fault and it's Senate Democrats for not changing the rules so 60 is no longer the threshold to pass a fucking bill.   Obama is not to blame.  QED.

        I agree with President Obama, our country's journey is not yet complete. We must continue the work that our forebearers at Seneca Falls started, and put the Equal Rights Amendment into our Constitution.

        by pistolSO on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 03:30:34 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, I blame Harry Reid, too (0+ / 0-)

          He has been a great supporter of progressive bills, but he still believes in the "comity" of the Senate, that when two Senators shake hands and agree on something, one Senator isn't going to turn around and stab the other in the back the next day. Even though it's happened more than once since Obama was elected.
          That's not what we need as Senate Majority Leader right now.

          “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

          by skohayes on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 03:44:49 PM PDT

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          •  Reid has so many knives sticking out of his (0+ / 0-)

            backhis back, I don't understand how he still believes in that myth.  There's no way he actually does.

            This is the kind of thing that makes me get out my foil hat.  Who has what dirt on Reid that they've been able to make him turn 180 and act against his own party's interests at every key moment these last three election cycles?

            •  I have no idea to what you're referring (0+ / 0-)

              But I'd suggest putting the tin foil hat back in the closet.
              He didn't pass filibuster reform because he didn't have the votes to pass it.

              “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

              by skohayes on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 01:05:32 PM PDT

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              •  Votes aren't something he "has" (0+ / 0-)

                They're something he goes out and GETS.  He's not the majority counter, he's the majority fucking LEADER.

                Reid should have brought it to the floor, and DARED those four cowards to vote against it, just like he should have done with every single bill where a pissy little temper-throwing Democrat looking to make a name for themselves threatened to sink the boat unless they got something special for their district.  His unwillingness to put his own members (and Republicans to boot) on record voting against their own party's interests is the exact source of my tinfoil tendencies.

                His cowardice goes so far beyond the definition of the word that it starts to become complicit collaboration.

      •  No! The Senator from Alaska (1+ / 0-)
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        must commit electoral suicide to please the progressives from big cities!

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