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  •  If what you're saying is that (0+ / 0-)

    the media is solidly Democratic, therefore it's solidly liberal, then we must have so much liberal legislative victories the last 1/4 century or so.

    Oh, wait . . .

    liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

    by RockyMtnLib on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 08:04:23 AM PDT

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    •  what I am saying is crashingly simple----------- (0+ / 0-)

      the media in the US gives most of its campaign money to Democrats, and it does so consistently from election to election.  Period.

      We can all cry and weep about how the media hates us boo hoo hoo, but that simple unchallengable fact remains. When it comes to the money, even News Corp backs the Democrats.

      •  I respond with another fact (0+ / 0-)

        that shines more light on the subject and you reply by repeating yourself.

        I'll put this forth again: if you're saying that the media contributing to Democrats means the media is not conservative, then where is all of the liberal legislative victories in the last 1/4 century?

        And also, please address the diarists links which explains in detail mainstream media content.

        liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

        by RockyMtnLib on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 08:15:17 AM PDT

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        •  facts is facts is facts is facts (0+ / 0-)

          The media industry consistently, year after year after year, give most of their campaign money to Democrats.

          Period.

          You can wave your arms, you can pee your pants, you can jump up and down, you can blither and bluther, but that simple fact remains true. Reality is a stubborn thing.

          •  Provide a source for those numbers please. (0+ / 0-)

            And your excuse that it's simply selling product, and nothing else is needed to explain it, is bullshit.

            When you said "I am happy to repeat" - that's all you seem capable of right now.

            Adios.

            liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

            by RockyMtnLib on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 08:28:52 AM PDT

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            •  They come from Opensecrets.org, which tracks all (0+ / 0-)

              campaign contributions using data from the FEC.

              I strongly strongly strongly encourage you to go there and poke around for a few hours, looking up the amount of corporate contributions from various industries that have gone to Dems over time.  WARNING: the idea that most of have here, that "the corporations give their money to Repugs every year", is just as wrong and demonstrably untrue. So you probably won't like that either.  (shrug)

              But here are the latest figures from opensecrets.org for the 2012 elections:

              Company   total contributions  % to Dems  % to Repugs
              Comcast Corp    $4,386,506    61%           38%   
              Time Warner    $2,687,988    77%            13%   
              News Corp    $1,576,635    72%          29%

              http://www.opensecrets.org/...

              See that last one there? Newscorp?  The owners of Fox News?  That's right--the owners of FOX NEWS, in the 2012 elecftion, gave 72% of their contributions to DEMOCRATS.

              Let that sink in for a second . . . . . . . Then let's look at the Top Five Recipients for Newscorp money in the 2012 election:

              Top Candidate Recipients, 2011-2012
              Barack Obama (D)     $150,150
              Howard L. Berman (D-CA)     $53,800
              Ben Cardin (D-MD)     $35,375
              Mitt Romney (R)     $29,950
              Henry A. Waxman (D-CA)     $21,500
              HEAVENS TO MERGATROID ---who is that I see at the top?  And what do all those "D's" after the recipient's names mean . . .?

              That's right, folks, Newscorp, the Rupert Murdoch cesspool of conservatism, gave more money to Barack Obama than any other candidate--five times as much as it gave to Mitt Romney---and four of the five tyop recipients of Newscorp money were Democrats.

              Let that sink in for a few seconds . . . . . . .

              The simple fact---"the media" as an industry, gives most of its money to Dems, in every election cycle, year after year after year. Period.

              And your excuse that it's simply selling product, and nothing else is needed to explain it, is bullshit
              Nonsense.  The media are corporations just like any other corporation---they sell product to make money. Their only task in life is to generate profits for their stockholders.  The media are no different.
              •  Newscorps complete list of recipients in 2011-2012 (0+ / 0-)

                This is just too funny:

                Obama, Barack (D)     Pres    $150,150
                Berman, Howard L (D-CA)     House    $53,800
                Cardin, Ben (D-MD)     Senate    $35,375
                Romney, Mitt (R)     Pres    $29,950
                Waxman, Henry A (D-CA)     House    $21,500
                Whitehouse, Sheldon (D-RI)     Senate    $18,208
                Feinstein, Dianne (D-CA)     Senate    $16,125
                Corker, Bob (R-TN)     Senate    $14,500
                Klobuchar, Amy (D-MN)     Senate    $14,375
                Menendez, Robert (D-NJ)     Senate    $12,500
                Walden, Greg (R-OR)     House    $10,500
                Gillibrand, Kirsten (D-NY)     Senate    $10,250
                Cantor, Eric (R-VA)     House    $10,000
                Upton, Fred (R-MI)     House    $10,000
                McCaskill, Claire (D-MO)     Senate    $9,499
                Smith, Lamar (R-TX)     House    $9,000
                Brown, Scott (R-MA)     Senate    $8,500
                Heller, Dean (R-NV)     Senate    $8,500
                Warren, Elizabeth (D-MA)     Senate    $7,500
                Hatch, Orrin G (R-UT)     Senate    $7,000
                McIntyre, Mike (D-NC)     House    $7,000
                Rubio, Marco (R-FL)     Senate    $7,000
                Schiff, Adam (D-CA)     House    $7,000
                Bono Mack, Mary (R-CA)     House    $6,500
                Tester, Jon (D-MT)     Senate    $6,500
                Kaine, Tim (D-VA)     Senate    $6,333
                Allen, George (R-VA)     Senate    $6,000
                Bilbray, Brian P (R-CA)     House    $6,000
                Dold, Robert (R-IL)     House    $6,000
                Gibson, Chris (R-NY)     House    $6,000
                McMahon, Linda (R-CT)     Senate    $6,000
                Nelson, Bill (D-FL)     Senate    $6,000
                Conyers, John Jr (D-MI)     House    $5,500
                Cicilline, David (D-RI)     House    $5,250
                Clyburn, James E (D-SC)     House    $5,000
                Franken, Al (D-MN)     Senate    $5,000
                Goodlatte, Bob (R-VA)     House    $5,000
                Markey, Edward J (D-MA)     House    $5,000
                McCarthy, Kevin (R-CA)     House    $5,000
                Murphy, Patrick (D-FL)     House    $5,000
                Pelosi, Nancy (D-CA)     House    $5,000
                Watt, Melvin L (D-NC)     House    $5,000
                Heitkamp, Heidi (D-ND)     Senate    $4,999
                Brown, Sherrod (D-OH)     Senate    $4,500
                Dingell, John D (D-MI)     House    $4,500
                Hoyer, Steny H (D-MD)     House    $4,500
                Kerrey, Bob (D-NE)     Senate    $4,500
                Wicker, Roger (R-MS)     Senate    $4,500
                Baldwin, Tammy (D-WI)     House    $4,199
                Becerra, Xavier (D-CA)     House    $4,000
                Cardenas, Tony (D-CA)     House    $4,000
                Cleaver, Emanuel (D-MO)     House    $4,000
                Crowley, Joseph (D-NY)     House    $4,000
                Gardner, Cory (R-CO)     House    $4,000
                Guthrie, Brett (R-KY)     House    $4,000
                Pompeo, Mike (R-KS)     House    $4,000
                Sullivan, John (R-OK)     House    $4,000
                Carmona, Richard (D-AZ)     Senate    $3,500
                Hayworth, Nan (R-NY)     House    $3,500
                Kennedy, Joe III (D-MA)     House    $3,500
                Mourdock, Richard E (R-IN)     Senate    $3,500
                Maffei, Dan (D-NY)     House    $3,250
                Bachmann, Michele (R-MN)     House    $3,000
                Benishek, Dan (R-MI)     House    $3,000
                Biggert, Judy (R-IL)     House    $3,000
                Blackburn, Marsha (R-TN)     House    $3,000
                Blumenthal, Richard (D-CT)     Senate    $3,000
                Gonzalez, Charlie A (D-TX)     House    $3,000
                Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)     Senate    $3,000
                Kinzinger, Adam (R-IL)     House    $3,000
                Runyan, Jon (R-NJ)     House    $3,000
                Schultz, Debbie Wasserman (D-FL)     House    $3,000
                Paul, Ron (R-TX)     House    $2,504
                Amodei, Mark (R-NV)     House    $2,500
                Barrow, John (D-GA)     House    $2,500
                Boehner, John (R-OH)     House    $2,500
                Casey, Bob (D-PA)     Senate    $2,500
                Cherny, Andrei (D-AZ)     House    $2,500
                Chu, Judy (D-CA)     House    $2,500
                Cravaack, Chip (R-MN)     House    $2,500
                Larson, John B (D-CT)     House    $2,500
                Pawlenty, Tim (R)     Pres    $2,500
                Payne, Donald M (D-NJ)     House    $2,500
                Perry, Rick (R)     Pres    $2,500
                Ryan, Paul (R-WI)     House    $2,500
                Bruning, Jon (R-NE)     Senate    $2,250
                Thompson, Tommy G (R-WI)     Senate    $2,250
                Adams, Sandy (R-FL)     House    $2,000
                Berg, Rick (R-ND)     House    $2,000
                Chabot, Steve (R-OH)     House    $2,000
                Coble, Howard (R-NC)     House    $2,000
                Deutch, Ted (D-FL)     House    $2,000
                Gingrey, Phil (R-GA)     House    $2,000
                Gowdy, Trey (R-SC)     House    $2,000
                Landrieu, Mary L (D-LA)     Senate    $2,000
                Manchin, Joe (D-WV)     Senate    $2,000
                McConnell, Mitch (R-KY)     Senate    $2,000
                Sanchez, Linda (D-CA)     House    $2,000
                Schock, Aaron (R-IL)     House    $2,000
                Shimkus, John M (R-IL)     House    $2,000
                So Barack Obama was number one, and got more than the next four recipients combined--and five times as much as Mitt Rmoney.

                Of the total list of Newscorp recipients, 50 were Republicans and 50 were Democrats.

              •  What Lenny's figures prove... (0+ / 0-)

                is not that the media is liberal, but that the Democrats largely aren't. The mainstream of the Dem party is serving the same crony capitalist thugs that the GOP are.
                That's why we need to evict the blue dogs and replace them with real progressives, whether they be Dem, Green, or other.

                •  amen to that . . . (0+ / 0-)

                  The reason conservative ideas and frames dominate politics is because both parties are conservative.

                  But you are incorrect about one thing---I am not arguing that the media is liberal.  I am arguing that they are utterly amoral and sell us whatever we want to buy.  If we want to hear liberal views, they'll give them to us; if we want to hear conservative views, they'll give them to us--hell if we want to hear NAZI views, they'll give them to us. They don't give a rat's ass, as long as we watch the corn flake commercials they sell ad time for.

        •  I am happy to repeat: (0+ / 0-)
          And also, please address the diarists links which explains in detail mainstream media content.
          The media sell a product. And they sell the product they think most people want to buy. It's no different than selling soap or corn flakes. With the exception of the paid propaganda network (Fox), the media sell conservatism because it sells. If they thought a liberal-left viewpoint would sell as well, the media would be selling us DFH viewpoints and be just as happy (like MSNBC does after it made the business decision to become the opposite of Fox News)). Most of them don't care which ideology they sell, as long as people buy it.

          Me, I think the whole "the media is against us boo hoo hoo" thing is just a convenient excuse for losing caused by incompetent organizing and inability to find, stick to, and communicate a message that people agree with. When the Dems fight AGAINST positions that a majority of people want, then "the media" is not the Dem's problem--the Dems themselves are the problem. Blaming it on "the media hates us boo hoo hoo" may be a convenient excuse, but it doesn't solve the problem.

    •  ps--it wasn't "the media" that wrecked all the (0+ / 0-)

      liberal legislation in the past 10 years----it was the Dems in Congress who sold us all out.  "The media" didn't get to vote, and since some 90% of the public was on the liberal side of the issues (which the Dems voted against anyway), it appears that you pants-peeing over "the media tells everyone what to think oh noes !!!!" is just . . . well . . .  pants-peeing.

      The public knows what it wants.  It also knows that the Dems either can't or won't deliver what it wants. And that has nothing to do with the "conservative media !!!!"

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