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  •  Not even remotely Islamist (3+ / 0-)
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    kyril, a gilas girl, native

    You can't just make up your own religion and then grab the name of another religion to justify your psychosis.

    First, Tamarlin made his "living" selling pot. Now, is that Islamic?

    Second, Chechnian Muslims are not particularly conservative. Women do not need to cover themselves and alcohol is available. Their "beef" is with the iron hand of Russia.

    Third, these psychopaths haven't been in Chechnia for two decades, and were kicked out of the local Mosque.

    When we write about the man who murdered Dr. Tiller, do we automatically label him "Christian militant" in every headline?

    •  Please see link for confirmation of (2+ / 0-)
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      AuroraDawn, Be Skeptical

      Islamist influence, including Al Qaeda websites. Really, I don't get your protestations.

      “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty Also, I moved from NYC, so my username is inaccurate.

      by jeff in nyc on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 06:17:13 PM PDT

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      •  Tiller's Killer claimed Christian websites too (2+ / 0-)
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        What I'm saying is that you can't just adopt the name of a religion. I know many Muslims, and every one of them would tell me that such mindless violence is not even remotely related to their religion.

        My "Christianity" could never justify murdering a doctor. You can't just invent your own rules and say you represent a religion.

        The fact that these psychopaths tried to put themselves under the umbrella of Islam says nothing about the religion. It says loads about the two of them.

        Like every American I'm wondering about the younger brother. Leader, follower or deluded? Who knows.

        •  What the killers say is there motivation is (4+ / 0-)

          correct: that does not implicate the overwhelming majority of others who adhere to a faith, nor does it make the killers' interpretation of faith in any way correct.

          This isn't about Islam. This is about what the terrorists say was there motivation. Reporting such is important, just as much as reiterating to low-information people that the terrorists' interpretation of their religion is both unpopular and shunned by most every other of their co-religionists.

          “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty Also, I moved from NYC, so my username is inaccurate.

          by jeff in nyc on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 06:35:45 PM PDT

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          •  "their" not "there" sorry (2+ / 0-)
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            “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty Also, I moved from NYC, so my username is inaccurate.

            by jeff in nyc on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 06:36:12 PM PDT

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          •  Well said. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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            jeff in nyc, yella dawg
            This isn't about Islam. This is about what the terrorists say was their motivation. Reporting such is important, just as much as reiterating to low-information people that the terrorists' interpretation of their religion is both unpopular and shunned by most every other of their co-religionists.

            Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

            by AuroraDawn on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 07:04:34 PM PDT

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            •  I would like to see the shunning % go even higher (1+ / 0-)
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              the terrorists' interpretation of their religion is both unpopular and shunned by most every other of their co-religionists.
              It's still not nearly high enough
              •  That's where I was going (1+ / 0-)
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                Idiots like King, Gomert and Bachmann exploit the willful ignorance of many Americans about Islam. If the press would emphasize "their version" and the general antipathy of others in that mosque when Tamarlin went off on Martin Luther King, perhaps we would begin to crack a barrier that still exist among us.

      •  what we have is a link to (1+ / 0-)
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        jeff in nyc

        a great deal of Islamist materials, that doesn't necessarily mean Islamist motivation; the underlying motivation can still be rage where Islamicist is a funnel to direct said rage.

        Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

        by a gilas girl on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 07:26:01 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, and it's also obvious to me that a lost (0+ / 0-)

          And angry young man can latch onto the nearest ideology that makes him feel certain when society and the world is do scary....gott mitt Uns etc.

          “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty Also, I moved from NYC, so my username is inaccurate.

          by jeff in nyc on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 07:29:40 PM PDT

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        •  I found (1+ / 0-)
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          It peculiar that the videos on his computer were in a folder called "terrorism".  I posit that a true believer taking commands from a broader network would 1. Not leave something so obvious for the authorities to find 2. would not consider fiery speeches preaching Islamic Fundamentalism as terrorism or related to terrorism.  

          I think the kid just had some mental issues.  It doesn't excuse what he did, and I am glad he is no longer a threat.  

    •  Direct responses (0+ / 0-)

      First, Tamarlin made his "living" selling pot. Now, is that Islamic?  
      The cultivation and use of marijuana/hashish is long-established in numerous Muslim cultures.  Off the top of my head, Morrocco, Lebanon and Afghanistan are all famous for their hashish.

      Second, Chechnian Muslims are not particularly conservative. Women do not need to cover themselves and alcohol is available. Their "beef" is with the iron hand of Russia.
      Chechen militance has led to a diaspora, frequently to places such as Afghanistan, Yemen, and Somalia, where Chechen ex-pats no doubt find themselves frequently on the receiving end of the US drone war.

      Third, these psychopaths haven't been in Chechnia for two decades, and were kicked out of the local Mosque.
      (a) Not in Chechnya proper, but Tamerlan spent 6 months in 2012 in neighboring Dagestan where many Chechen militants have resettled, and (b) they weren't kicked out of the local mosque, though Tamerlan was warned that he might be if he didn't cease militant outbursts during Friday prayers.

      Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

      by ActivistGuy on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 09:06:58 PM PDT

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      •  Just because some Muslims may abuse... (0+ / 0-)
        The cultivation and use of marijuana/hashish is long-established in numerous Muslim cultures.
        ...drugs such as marijuana or hashish still doesn't make such usage Islamic.  Islam prohibits the usage of those drugs, period.

        Muslims and tigers and bears, oh my!

        by JDsg on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 07:38:30 AM PDT

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