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  •  Lenny - These are NOT corporate contributions (5+ / 0-)

    Given that corporations cannot contribute to candidates for federal office this data is a summary of the contributions of EMPLOYEES of the corporations. It would be interesting to know if the corporations provided actual corporate cash to an independent expenditure effort which would actually tell us who the officers and directors really supported.

    I have always felt that Open Secrets did a poor job of clearly identifying the amounts as employee, and not corporate, campaign donations. The problem is that their data echos around the Internet with the suggestion that the amounts are direct campaign donations which would be a violation of federal law.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 09:59:11 AM PDT

    •  they are contributions from all sources made (1+ / 0-)
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      under that company's name.

      Individuals, PACs, whatever.

      That is of course the very same breakdown that all the Republican-leaning companies have--and oddly I never hear anyone making excuses for them.

      Apparently we only want to question corporate contributions when we DON'T like what they tell us, not when we DO like what they tell us.

      •  In all fairness, I once worked for a company (2+ / 0-)
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        that very clearly has a very conservative slant (they gave money to climate change deniers, Cato Institute, Republicans etc). When I sent a $400 (maybe $500 can't remember) donation to John Kerry, I had to fill out a form identifying my employer. Therefor my employer was ID'ed by way of it's employer as giving a donation to John Kerry.

        Also most News outlets are part of large entertainment companies. Your conflating people who give to politicians from the entertainment side of the business versus the news side. Heck even the head of NewsCorps Hollywood operations is a Democrat, are you saying that FOX news therefor isn't conservative? Because there are a number of very wealthy employees in the entertiainment industry it skews the numbers.

        In the sports world most of the owners are Republicans, while player donations are ~60/40 in favor of the Democrats. This is also because of well compensated employees.

        -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

        by dopper0189 on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 10:54:35 AM PDT

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        •  as I note above, if you eliminate all the individu (1+ / 0-)
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          donations and consider ONLY the corporate PACs, the percentages in the industries don't change.

          are you saying that FOX news therefor isn't conservative
          Of course I'm not.  Don't be silly.

          What I am saying is crushingly simple----the media, as an industry, gives most of its campaign money, every year, consistently, to Dems.  Period.

          We can wave our arms about that, we can pee our pants over it, we can make every excuse we can think of for it--but it remains true nevertheless.

          Of course, we can reverse all of our previous arguments and argue that now corporate contributions don't matter because it's really the employees (I'd like to see someone explain that the Koch company contributions don't mean the company is conservative because it's coming from the employees, not the company).

          I find it easier to just accept the reality.  The media industry is not Republican or conservative. And the corollary to that (which is REALLY what people don't want to face)--it's not "the conservative media's" fault we are losing, it's our OWN fault we are losing. "The media hates us boo hoo hoo" is just a convenient excuse.

          •  the percentages do change (0+ / 0-)

            If you aren't outraged, you are an idiot

            by indefinitelee on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 11:07:32 AM PDT

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            •  but the recipients don't (1+ / 0-)
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              All the major media companies still give most of their money to Dems, year after year.

              That makes them different from nearly all other corporations, who effortlessly leap from one party to the other from year to year.

              On the flip side, there are also a handful of industries who consistently give most of their money to Republicans year after year after year.  The mining/forestry sector and the chemical (though NOT the pharmaceuticals) being two of those.

              What makes those industries anomolies, who consistently support one party when nearly all other industries do not?  I think that in each case (mining, media) it is pretty clearly defined in their view that one party supports them consistently and the other party does not (unlike most other industries which can successfully buy whichever party happens to be in power).

      •  Lenny - PACs are employee contributions (1+ / 0-)
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        I agree that they are a much better signal of the corporations political views, but there is no corporate cash in PACs or any of the Open Secrets numbers.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 02:47:15 PM PDT

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