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  •  this part is only partly true . . . (1+ / 0-)
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    the American publis is very much to the left of even the Democratic party.
    That may be true for part of the public, but not all.  If it were, Republicans would not win elections, and neither would Eisenhower Dems. And we progressives would not be an ignored minority. (And of course EVERY ignored minority view likes to console itself with the thought that "most people are REALLY behind me" even though they're not. Indeed, the whole "conservative media!!!" meme is just an excuse for a minority viewpoint to explain away the fact that it's a minority viewpoint--"Everyone actually loves us but the media conspiracy prevents us from winning".)

    On specific issues, (such as health care or gun controls) most people may be well to the left. But not in general.

    •  Disagree. (2+ / 0-)
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      AnnieR, a2nite

      You look any any so-called hot button issue, and the public show majority support.  Gun control, pro-choice, social security, gay rights, hell, even the public option had majority support.

      The problem I believe is that for most people, these issues don't impact their daily lives.  They think "I'm not gay so why should I punish a right wing politician who seems to have done a good job for my state".  

      This disconnect is just the nature of politics I think.  The disconnect between a state politician they feel they should support, despite views that could have very negative consequences on a national level.  

      I am a firm believer that people frequently vote against their best interests and really don't need much of an excuse to try and rationalize it.

      •  you demonstrate my point (1+ / 0-)
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        On each of those issues, gun control, social security, gay rights---much of the public support for that comes from non-progressives. Even most of the NRA's membership supported the recent gun control proposals.

        So as I said, while individual issues may have wide public support, "progressivism" in general does not. That's why we don't win elections.

        "People support the progressive position on gun control" does NOT equal "people support progressives and progressivism".

        We are a tiny ignored minority even within our own party.  Sorry if we'd like to pretend otherwise. Reality sucks.

         

        •  I don't disagree. (0+ / 0-)

          Where I disagree is your labelling of progressives or non-progressives.  As if how people see or label themselves is somehow detached from the political views.  In reality, most people are all over the spectrum.  I consider myself a social liberal but fiscal conservative.  However, my definition of fiscal conservative refers to responsible spending of taxdollars, which in many cases, means the need for more government programming and more regulations, etc. because I think government can do a better job providing a lot of things that the private sector.

          Of course, that isn't how most would define it.  Just as there are plenty of right wingers out there who I've seen portray a number of left wing positions on issues, but there may be one stereotypical "conservative" issue they latch onto and therefore define themselves by that one issue, excusing the rest.

          Going solely by registration, there is roughly a 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 split among democrats, rebublicans and "moderates".  But even those definitions aren't adequate I would argue.  To me, what matter is the issues you believe in and support.  So to me, I don't care if a majority of "non-progressives" support a progressive policy position.  The question I have is if that is the case, which polling says is so, why do people keep voting against their own interests?  

          Maybe the issue is the media, maybe it is just two horrible, sell-out political parties.  Maybe the problem is messaging...although I am pretty sure party messaging is very clear about what they support and often, it isn't what the people support.  Hence the recent gun-bill failure, the feet dragging on gay marriage, the never ending abortion debate and the

          I think mostly, politicians just like pushing those hot buttons to get a hanful of people riled out and screaming, so they can trick others into believing the vocal minority is the same thing as the silent majority.  

          But I also think mainly the issue is the massive disconnect at all levels of politics.  People vote against their interests for a number of reasons.  It is difficult to pin the blame on one single culprit.

          •  well, here's the brutal reality . . . . (0+ / 0-)

            Progressives don't matter.  Period.  We can't win elections--we can't even win primaries.  Our own party rejects us, laughs at us, and ignores us (but is more than happy to take our votes and money). We have zero influence on policy, at any level. At best, we have a few powerless globflies--the most prominent of which isn't even a member of our own party.

            We don't matter.

            And that is why the press ignores us.

            If we want to comfort ourselves with the idea that everyone really actually secretly loves us, and that all our failings are because the big bad evil corporations are plotting against us, and none of it is OUR own fault, we're welcome to that fantasy if it makes us feel better. But the harsh reality is that we don't matter, period. And crying in our beers about the media hates us boo hoo fucking hoo, doesn't help us matter.

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