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  •  Is there any particular need to be anonymous when (2+ / 0-)
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    buying fireworks, even if you end up paying cash?  The only reason I can think it would matter is if you're buying them in order to set them off somewhere where it's illegal to do so.

    •  Other than the fact (0+ / 0-)

      That fireworks are illegal in all 50 states?

      In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

      by boriscleto on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 02:59:22 PM PDT

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      •  Uh, what? (10+ / 0-)

        Fireworks are legal in many states, I know whenever I pass through PA I stop and get some seriously big stuff.

        "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

        by Empty Vessel on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 03:00:53 PM PDT

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        •  when I lived in PA, fireworks were illegal (1+ / 0-)
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          high uintas

          Has that changed?

          Here in Florida, though, I can buy them at a tent at nearly any major intersection.

        •  Fireworks OK in Texas too. (2+ / 0-)
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          high uintas, cynndara

          However, Texas cities are allowed to pass their own laws banning the sale & possession of fireworks within city limits (unless you have a commercial license for the big pyrotechnic displays like on the 4th of July). Houston is one of these cities. However, just take one step outside the city limits and you'll find lots of fireworks dealers around the 4th of July and New Year's Eve. Although it's legal to buy the fireworks outside of Houston, technically it's illegal to transport those fireworks into Houston (at least without a license), but this doesn't seem to be enforced very strongly (it is enforced occasionally, especially if you're stopped in your car for some other infraction like speeding or blowing a stop sign and they happen to see the fireworks in your car). I actually live outside the city limits of Houston, on the 4th of July and New Year's Eve my neighborhood sounds (and smells) like downtown Beirut during the time of their troubles.

          But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, ... there are few die well that die in a battle; ... Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the king that led them to it; — Shakespeare, ‘Henry V’

          by dewtx on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 03:19:18 PM PDT

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        •  Legal to sell (0+ / 0-)

          To out of state residents.

          In PA a license fireworks seller can sell to an out of state resident, or a resident with a permit issued by a municipality. Otherwise it's sparklers or toy caps only.

          I'm from NY, where all fireworks, even sparklers, are illegal. Yet I can drive just across the border, show my NY drivers license, and buy all the illegal fireworks I want.

          Vermont permits sparkers, worms, party poppers, and drop pops.

          In Ohio you can sell to a resident only if the resident signs a form agreeing to take the items out of state within 48 hours or to non residents if they agree to remove them within 72 hours.

          Even in the 'Live Free Or Die' state you can only have

          Cone and cylindrical fountain, ground spinner, party popper, snake/glow worm snapper, wheel. (Small sparklers not regulated as Consumer Fireworks and therefore allowed.)

          In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

          by boriscleto on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 03:25:40 PM PDT

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          •  That's odd . . . (1+ / 0-)
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            I lived in Ohio for the last decade, and I'm sure I saw huge billboards advertising fireworks supply stands.  And fireworks for sale at Wal-Mart in the weeks before July 4.  And I certainly saw and heard fireworks being set off in my smalltown neighborhood every year on the July 4th weekend.  If they are illegal for consumer use, perhaps you should tell the people who live there, because I would have never known it.

          •  I'm from California, where you can play (0+ / 0-)

            Legal - Illegal hopscotch through varying municipalities, going from being law abiding to law breaking and back again as many as 12 times in a 20 mile drive home with your bottle rockets.

            I love you stupid fucking fucks. Now stop poking at the dead cat on the table and get back to the issues.

            by JesseCW on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 04:44:14 PM PDT

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      •  yeah.. that's wrong (3+ / 0-)
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        high uintas, Halfton81, ER Doc

        as Empty Vessel says, there are many states in which most fireworks are still legal.

        Here's a map:

        State Consumer Firework Laws

    •  NOT being anonymous presumes a tracking system (1+ / 0-)
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      Are you really proposing another whole tracking/licensing/registration system for fireworks purchases?

    •  Yes, there is (0+ / 0-)

      Frankly, I am a private person.   The ability to purchase in cash, and not give my name, address, phone number, date of birth, and every other intrusive question to any stranger standing behind a sales counter, means a great deal to me.  

      I HATE the trend where you walk up to a sales counter, cash or card in hand, and someone asks you your phone number.   What I'm thinking to myself is, "I don't want a date with you.   I just want to buy this spinach, please."

      Maybe it shouldn't, but it does matter to me.

      And, besides, it just a hassle.   I have a full time job, and two kids to raise, one of them disabled, and you would not believe how it is the small things in life that can waste your life, like standing in front of a sales counter spelling out your name, email address, phone number, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.    

      I don't want to live in a Security State.    I accept the risk that goes with that freedom.   Besides, if we actually investigated people, and monitored them on an ongoing basis, when Russia says, "This person is dangerous", maybe I wouldn't have to.   I am in favor of increasing the budget for people to do L-E-G-W-O-R-K.   Go out and interview people.  I feel that our intelligence agencies are relying too much on databases, and they have gotten away from knocking on doors and talking to people.

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