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  •  Thank the Christian Church for LOSING plumbing (15+ / 0-)

    And for all the deaths, diseases, and plagues that accompanied a population of Unwashed masses all being told that bathing was sinful. No, really. In the power struggle as the early Christian church took hold and toppled the Roman/pagan gods throughout Europe, they also waged a culture war against the "Roman" practice of bathing and anything that had to do with what you might call the plumbing industry as "sinful".  - so much so that the ancient technology was LOST for a thousand years in the Dark Ages.... it all had to be reinvented.

    And The Element of Water? Feminine. That really made it evil.

    Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. ~ Yoda Political Compass: -8.50, -6.46

    by Cinnamon on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 04:51:50 AM PDT

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    •  Of course.... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...the vatious "barbarian" leaders preparing to conquer the city of Rome who destroyed most (all?) the aquaducts might have had just a little to do with the decline of public baths in Rome.  By this point there were insufficient resources to rebuild the destroyed aquaducts.  Blaming Christians for the decline of cleanliness seems a little over-the-top.

      •  During the Black Death, People didn't bathe, (11+ / 0-)

        they thought that demons lived in the water.

        Early doctors didn't wash their hands when attending multiple births, and killed many women in childbirth and babies too. But not before running the midwives off, who did wash, and who knew the use of herbs that were not based on bullshit, but on experience.

        If it weren't for the cultures of Islam in the Near East, preserving the art of Obstetrics, books that were carried back after the crusades and the sacking of the Eastern Roman Empire, who knows how much worse it could be now.

        Even then, the Western Knowledge that was preserved by Islam was considered anathema by the church until it could be appropriated at a later date. But then Christians burned the Alexandrian Library for good reasons I am sure. And sliced female philosophers like Hypatia up with oyster shells for equally good reasons.

      •  Only part of the Roman Empire collapsed (1+ / 0-)
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        when Rome was invaded in ~430AD, the Western half.  The Eastern Roman Empire, capital in Constantinople, lasted for another 1000 years.  Christian Crusaders sacked the capital in 1204, but the capital and empire recovered somewhat until the Turkish Ottomans invaded in 1453 and renamed the city Istanbul. Ironically, the Turkish invasion led to people fleeing to the east and helping start the Renaissance.

        •  Did Christians in Constantinople... (0+ / 0-)

          ... abandon bathing due to religious disapproval?  ;~}

          •  I'm not sure. (1+ / 0-)
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            The western church (what became the Roman Catholics) monks in Spain had what was called the "odor of sanctity".  I don't know how popular that idea was in the east.  The churches split after about 1050 (1054?) over papal infallibility and priest marriage (i.e. hierarchical power and money), so there were other differences in the religious culture as well.  But your exact question, not sure, sorry.

    •  So evil it was used for baptism. (2+ / 0-)
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      Please.



      Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

      by Wee Mama on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 05:34:11 AM PDT

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    •  The people of the Book (2+ / 0-)
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      Christians, Jews and Muslims had a pretty decent understanding of science and mathematics to include hydraulic engineering until following the decline of the Roman Empire, from about the 6th century to the 10th century AD there began a general societal collapse.

      My impression is that the Catholic church attempted to monopolize the transmission of knowledge so as to prevent gnostic heresy and began following the ancient Phoenician practice of purposefully creating misleading myths so as to discourage exploration and discovery.

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 05:50:09 AM PDT

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      •  Wow, everything old is new again (8+ / 0-)
        My impression is that the Catholic church attempted to monopolize the transmission of knowledge so as to prevent gnostic heresy and began following the ancient Phoenician practice of purposefully creating misleading myths so as to discourage exploration and discovery.
        Condoms don't work

        Birth control Pills are abortion

        Abortion causes breast cancer

        Natural Selection isn't real --even though artificial selection is commonly practiced [see evolution].

        Don't get me started on the propagandized textbooks.

        etc and so on.

        •  There is a pretty obvious solution (0+ / 0-)

          In my view if you objectively weigh all the good things religion has done for your community against their contribution to our mutual assured destruction I think you could make a decent case for having people advocating the dogma of any organized religion labeled terrorist saboteurs.

          I'll leave the institutionalized pedophilia out of it, cause that's sort of Catholic specific and as regards man's inhumanity to man I'm talking religion in general.

          I'll take off the crusades, and all the genocidal pograms and holocausts, and whats left that drives me crazy is the idea that people who join your religions consensus to be law abiding according to your norms, mores and conventions are wonderful and everyone else is an outlaw, infidel, heretic, who's supposed to be put under the ban.

          Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

          by rktect on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 02:03:50 PM PDT

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          •  I wish organized religion would be better (0+ / 0-)

            for short periods of time, some do well. But because they are comprised of people, that never lasts.

            The notion that somehow this cosmic ordering is going to imbue people with some sort of higher spiritual morality is often bunk. Especially given the way that various forms of bigotry and isms are incorporated into organized religion.

            Blind adherence doesn't cultivate an examined life.

    •  I don't have a source for this (0+ / 0-)

      but I recall reading in a number of places that excessive washing and bathing was considered by the Inquisition to be a sure sign of being secretly Jewish.  Considering the many ritual uses of washing in Judaism, this would seem to make sense.

      Can anyone confirm/contradict this?

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