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  •  Check your Math (3+ / 0-)
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    RJDixon74135, NanaoKnows, cpresley

    Decimal points can be very embarrassing. For example a 1.6% difference on 5.9 million = 53,700

    Normally elections that are fixed show the winner with something like 100%. 50.7% sounds  legit especially since Karl Rove wasn't involved (I'm guessing here)

    “ Success has a great tendency to conceal and throw a veil over the evil of men. ” — Demosthenes

    by Dburn on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 06:11:02 AM PDT

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    •  Florida, 2000/ (6+ / 0-)
      Normally elections that are fixed show the winner with something like 100%. 50.7% sounds  legit especially since Karl Rove wasn't involved (I'm guessing here)
      100% means the election was for show. We've had one election, not too long ago, where it only took a margin of 537 out of 6 million to fix it.

      As for Karl Rove, I caught an article by Greg Palast on a NationofChange feed.

      Palast wrote:

      According to this once-secret FBI memo, ChoicePoint Corp – under a no-bid contract – had shoplifted Venezuela's voter rolls, as well as the voter rolls of Argentina, Brazil, Nicaragua, Mexico and Honduras, all of whom were on the verge of electing presidents from the political left...

      In November 2000, working for the Observer and BBC Newsnight, I discovered that a subsidiary of ChoicePoint had, for Governor Jeb Bush of Florida, obtained his state's voter rolls and "purged" more than 56,000 voters, the vast majority black and poor, illegally denying them their vote. And that was how Jeb's brother, George W, won the US presidency by just 537 ballots.

      And now ChoicePoint had the data to allow Homeland Security to do a Florida on Venezuela – and Honduras and the others. (In 2006, the candidate of the left, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, won the election but lost the Mexican presidency through gross ballot-box finagling.)...

      Secretary of State Kerry's challenge to Maduro's 270,000-vote victory margin struck me as particularly poignant. Because in 2004, besides Chávez, I gave another presidential candidate evidence of the Bush gang's ballot banditry: Senator John Kerry. Kerry lost to Bush by a slim 119,000 ballots in Ohio, blatantly stolen, but Kerry refused to call for a recount. It took him two years to publicly acknowledge our findings

      I view Chavez as an authoritarian who happens to be a leftist. I think the media domination is a legitimate target for criticism. However, the evidence that ChoicePoint was involved in Venezuela's election is a thumb on the scale of the actual vote count,

      The furor over Friday's [10.5] job report revealed a political movement that is rooting for American failure, so obsessed with taking down Obama that good news drives its members into a blind rage. -Paul Krugman

      by Judge Moonbox on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 06:41:28 AM PDT

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    •  Depends. If fixing is not done everywhere (1+ / 0-)
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      but rather involves sporadic ballot stuffing, the result could be close to 50%. For example, a lot of people say that Mexican Presidential election in 2006 was fixed although Calderon won by about 0.6%.

      First two rounds of Ukrainian Presidential election in 2004 are commonly believed to have been fixed.

      None of these examples means that Venezuelian election has been fixed. But the point is that close election doesn't necessarily mean a fair one.

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