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  •  From what I understand (3+ / 0-)
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    Venezuela has an electoral commission that has sole authority over whether a recount is necessary, and that commission has already completed its work.

    It's your right not to like the composition of the commission or the decision it made, but it's none of our business.

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    by corvo on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 09:03:53 AM PDT

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    •  No, that's not how it works (0+ / 0-)

      In the Venezuelan constitution, the president has authority to ask the commission to recount or do anything else.  The US is asking the president to use that authority and legitimize his election by asking the commission to do a recount.  The office of the president in Venezuela is provided with much more broad powers than in the US.  

      •  And if the president chooses not to (3+ / 0-)
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        then there's no recount.

        Unfortunately for you, the president has made no such request, nor need he do so simply because Uncle Sam wants his oil back.

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        by corvo on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 09:39:21 AM PDT

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        •  Exactly (0+ / 0-)

          But this in no way means that the US is doing anything contrary to Venezuela's laws or asking Venezuela to.

          As a consequence, it will just have to get on without enjoying US support for his election. Not really a big deal for anyone involved, but certainly the correct course of action for the US government to take in this situation.

          •  True but irrelevant; (3+ / 0-)
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            the election appears to have been cleaner than any of our presidential elections -- not that that's setting the bar terribly high -- and we have no problem legitimizing the results of sham elections held in much worse states.

            Quite frankly, Venezuela would be much better off it if just expelled the entire American diplomatic corps.

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            by corvo on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 09:49:10 AM PDT

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            •  No it does not appear clean at all (1+ / 0-)
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              There were numerous discoveries after the election of uncounted votes, reported by bloggers before their sites were taken down (that's the state of the press in Venezuela), and news of that discovery is what led to Maduro rescinding his own request for a recount, instead opting for just audit of the reported totals.  

              By asking Venezuela for a recount through official diplomatic channels, the US is signalling to the Venezuelan government that all is not well and that concessions will have to made to the US if they want our diplomatic help for things going forward.  (Which they will want, just as Chavez also did, because they still have diplomatic relations and their economy is entirely dependent on the US.)  Again, part of the lawful process of democratic governance and nothing to be alarmed about or to oppose.

              •  Didn't say clean; (2+ / 0-)
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                just cleaner than ours.

                The less "diplomatic help" Venezuela receives from us, the better.  

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                by corvo on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 10:07:25 AM PDT

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              •  State : Huge irregularities in Putin’s election (1+ / 0-)
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                EastSideDemocrat, does this mean that "all is not well and that concessions will have to made to the US if they want our diplomatic help for things going forward."

                State Department: Huge irregularities in Putin’s election

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                http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/...

                 The State Department issued a report Friday that detailed widespread accusations of fraud and abuse in the March 2012 election that brought Vladimir Putin back into the Russian presidency.

                U.S.-Russian relations have been in a tailspin since Putin's return as head of state in Moscow, following his four years as prime minister under the presidency of Dmitry Medvedev. The United States and Russia have been at odds over a U.S. list of Russian human rights violators, the Russian decision to ban U.S. adoptions of Russian children, Russian persecution of international NGOs, the expulsion from Russia of USAID, and Russia's unilateral withdrawal from the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction program.

                In the run-up to Putin's election, huge protests swept Moscow and Putin blamed then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for "inciting" the crowds that had protested the Russian parliamentary elections in December 2011where fraud and abuse were also widely reported.

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                by PatriciaVa on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 11:31:56 AM PDT

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                •  Basically, yes (0+ / 0-)

                  that's exactly what that means.  Although it is a much different thing to contest power with a great power like Russia than to contest it with a negligible power, in Obama's words, like Venezuela.

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