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  •  And in any case, "radical Islam" (3+ / 0-)
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    isn't what the vast majority of Muslims practice. And anyone who believes that Al–Qaeda is motivated by religion doesn't know anything about Pan-Arab nationalism.

    I never liked you and I always will.

    by Ray Blake on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 01:34:04 AM PDT

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    •  It kills me (2+ / 0-)
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      The majority of Muslims are actually in Asia, yet no one thinks of Asians as being terrorists.

      Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

      by moviemeister76 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 07:31:30 AM PDT

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      •  yes, it might kill you (1+ / 0-)
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        If you travel to Asia.  Asian Muslim extremists are quite active, and hate Westerners.

        Looking at two Asian countries with large Muslim populations, here is a sample of relatively recent Islamicist terrorism.

        Indonesia:  
        2000: Christmas eve bombings killed 18 at Christian churches
        2002: Bombings in Bali in a nightclub: 202 dead
        2003, Car bombing of hotel in Jakarta, 12 dead
        2004 Australian Embassy bombing in Jakarta, 11 dead
        2005,  Bali beach resort bombing killed 29
        2005:  Beheadings of 3 Christian girls in Sulawesi
        2005 Tentena market bombings, 22 dead
        2009: hotel bombings in Jakarta, 7 dead

        India:
        2001 Indian Parliament attack, 12 dead
        2002: Jammu, Raghunath temple, 25 dead
        2003: Ahmedabad, machine gun attack on Hindu temple, 31 dead
        2003: Mumbai, bomb at train station, 44 dead
        2005: Delhi marketplace and bus bombings, 62 dead
        2005: Attack at the Hindu Ram temple, 6 dead
        2006 Varanasi , temple and train station 28 dead
        2006: Mumbai, train, 209 dead
        2007, Hyderabad, twin bombings, at 42 dead
        2008: Mumbai, series of attacks, targets included a cafe, railroad station, and women's and children's hospital, 164 dead
        2008 Ahmedabad bombs on buses and outside 2 hospitals, 56 dead
        2008: Delhi bombs in crowded outdoor areas, 30 dead
        2010 Varanasi bombing at holy site on the steps leading to Ganges, 2 dead
        2010, bomb set off in bakery, 17 dead
        2011 Delhi bombing, 12 dead
        2011 Mumbai, bombs at opera hose and bazaar, 26 dead
        Feb 2013, bombs in southern India killed 10
        Feb 13 of this year, IEDs set off outside a movie theater and on a bus, 12 dead

        Need I continue with the Philippines, Thailand, Myanmar, and now China?  I am being merciful and will leave off Pakistan.

        •  I'm sure most of those (0+ / 0-)

          were because of the Americans.

          /snark

          •  No, but a lot of the conflict (0+ / 0-)

            between Hindus and Muslims derive from the partition of India and Pakistan by the British, as well as the continuing conflict over Kashmir. British colonialism has been the cause of many nationalist uprisings with their accompanying religious conflicts. The creation of Iraq, for example, was designed to create an ungovernable country of Sunni and Shia factions that the British could maintain proxy control of.

            I never liked you and I always will.

            by Ray Blake on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 04:57:39 PM PDT

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        •  Oh dear Lord (2+ / 0-)
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          Have you even heard of Partition? Do you even understand the complex relationship between the Hindi, Muslims and Sikhs (not to mention the Christians) in India and Pakistan? Do you not know that you could come up with a list just as long of Hindu attacks as well? I mean, for crying out loud, just because you know how to copy and paste from wikipedia does not mean that you actually know anything about why those events occurred.

          The very fact that you say that you left out Pakistan yet do not realize how Pakistan is involved in many of those attacks shows your absolute ignorance of that region.

          Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

          by moviemeister76 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 10:26:55 AM PDT

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          •  You asked for (0+ / 0-)

            specifically. And then whine when he called you on it?

            You may be a very good student. Your rhetorical skills need some work.

            •  I in no way asked for anything (1+ / 0-)
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              I did not write that Americans don't know that there have been Asian terrorists. I wrote that Americans do not think of Asians as terrorists. I was specifically referring to the fact that a lot of Americans have internalized the idea that Arab Muslim = terrorists, but have not done the same for Asians.

              Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

              by moviemeister76 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 11:01:53 AM PDT

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          •  I doubt the list would be anywhere near as long (0+ / 0-)

            for Hindus vs Muslim if it was limited to purely civilian targets.  Anyhow, for me terrorism of any flavor is loathsome, though some terrorism is more thoroughly pervasive than others..

            But I thought your point was that we never consider that Asian Muslims can be terrorists.  So I put a brief list of samples together, not to nitpick rationalizations about why a bomb in a children's hospital might be explained away by some 60-year-old, or 600-year-old, grievance.

            So let's skip India (which I guess is wayyy too complex to even think about terrorim, and similarly Pakistan (where, however,  most of the terrorism has been between Muslim sects, but we'll skip that).  So taking away those two impressive large Islamic terror body counts, shall we just look at Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country?

            •  So...no (0+ / 0-)

              You actually don't know the history. You don't know the history of Partition, or why the attacks are occurring where they are. You just see the word Muslim and ignore everything else.

              Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

              by moviemeister76 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 11:07:18 AM PDT

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