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  •  Very good diary... (6+ / 0-) far as it goes. This is a really good example of the "incompetence theory" of the 9/11 attacks.

    There are many related questions about 9/11 which we are forbidden to discuss on this web site.  Even hinting at other possible theories brings people out of the woodwork screaming "C/T!".  That is a serious weakness of a site that is supposed to promote open discussion.

    •  i agree with joan walsh (16+ / 0-)

      the bush team was so incompetent that if they had planned the 9/11 attacks, they would have failed. but let's not go into that, because it is a question of site credibility, which is why it is prohibited.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 10:37:34 AM PDT

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      •  It's a matter of credibility credibility (3+ / 0-)
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        Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

        by PsychoSavannah on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 11:03:28 AM PDT

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      •  People who believe in the LIHOP (0+ / 0-)

        conspiracy theory, that elements of our government knew the attacks were planned and allowed them to happen, do not believe the Bush team planned the 9/11 attacks. They believe Al Qaeda planned and carried out the attacks and that high level actors representing military, industrial and energy interests in our government Let It Happen On Purpose.

        There's a big difference between planning a terrorist attack and allowing it to happen.

        •  it's an absurd argument (1+ / 0-)
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          they were panicked. giuliani became the closest thing to a national leader that day, because the bushies we freaking out and hiding.

          The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

          by Laurence Lewis on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 10:54:48 PM PDT

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          •  They were freaking out, hiding, and (0+ / 0-)

            floundering. But that doesn't mean they didn't know it was going to happen. Condoleeza Rice's assertions that they didn't understand the nature of the warnings they received is, for me, just not credible. They didn't receive unintelligible warnings. You've outlined how specific and persistent the warning were. They blew it off.

            I understand that you may think people like Rumsfeld and Cheney hold key positions in our national security apparatus through a series of bumbling missteps to power. I see it very differently. I see them acting on behalf of the most powerful interests on earth. I see them revolving through the doorways of corporate and covert government operations, and I learn who they work for by noticing who benefits from their work. I see that the Military Industrial Complex has received trillions of dollars in corrupt contracting as a result of their actions, and therefore I believe they knew exactly what they were doing. In the Stupid or Venal argument, I believe they are venal, while you may believe they are stupid. I respect your position because I believe you are acting in good faith.

            •  condi was a scholar of the cold war (0+ / 0-)

              rumsfeld was obsessed with missile defense. terrorism was not on their radar, and they were too arrogant to heed the advice of those who told them it should be.

              The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

              by Laurence Lewis on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 12:13:34 AM PDT

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              •  Condi was on the board of directors (0+ / 0-)

                of Chevron, Rumsfeld was on the board of directors of the conglomerate that brought nuclear reactors to North Korea, and Cheney was CEO of Halliburton when it did illegal work in Iraq and Iran. Do you still think they're air-headed patriots? These people are cold-blooded killers. And traitors. Did they go into Iraq to protect our country? Or to make a killing? I think you underestimate these people, basically. Their supposed fog-headed stupidity is their total defense against war crimes indictments.

    •  One thing that has always bugged me and (1+ / 0-)
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      demands some serious parsing, is Bush's purported words to his CIA briefer: "OK, you've overed your ass, now." That comment screams for a CT interpretation, this site's predilections be damned.

      Here's my take:

      GWB: "We both know the fix is in and the shit is going to hit the fan soon, but you have done what protocol demands of you."

      There is no innocent explanation of which I can conceive for Bush's remarks, thereby leading me inexorably to a LIHOP ("Let it Happen on Purpose") interpretation.

      I hope I'm not violating some deep DKos tradition that LIHOP is out of bounds.

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