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  •  Those conversations happen (7+ / 0-)

    at Znet. at libcom, at revleft, at what's left of a functional indymedia.  Oh, you mean amng the reformist left?  No, you're right there, they haven't taken a serious turn to criticism and self-criticism the way the revolutionary left has.  They've sought to drown and liquidate their struggles through partisan participation in the Democratic Party.  Not only has it not borne fruit, the reformist orgs themselves have suffered, dwindled, shriveled and disappeared, from the unions to ACORN to the main bodies of civil rights organizing.  The revolutionaries were able tomproduce Occupy as a result of their seriousness of will and purpose.  What even modestly comparable have the reformists engendered?  Yes, some thousands of well-educated reformists secure continuing paid employment being political junkies, but their "prafmatic" capitulation to the hegemony of capital makes plain the empty opportunism of their careerist ambitions.

    There are many reasons that I am increasingly planting my flag with the genuinely radical left.  Some of them, such as the whole question of seriousness of purpose, are entirely practical even [shudder] "pragmatic reasos to work with the revolutionaries rather than the reformists.

    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

    by ActivistGuy on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 12:38:56 AM PDT

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    •  Oh the "revolutionary" left (6+ / 0-)
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      Tell me, has the date been set yet?

      I've spent a lot of time in the "revolutionary left" ghetto. It's a right comfy place to be if you want to avoid talking to anyone who isn't already among the converted. You've certainly got the group speak down pat.

      Unfortunately, "revolutionaries" don't make revolutions. Revolutions make revolutionaries.

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 12:51:12 AM PDT

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      •  Where' s the revolution? I know we'd all like to (0+ / 0-)

        go.

        The elevation of appearance over substance, of celebrity over character, of short term gains over lasting achievement displays a poverty of ambition. It distracts you from what's truly important. - Barack Obama

        by helfenburg on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 04:59:05 AM PDT

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      •  Haha (0+ / 0-)

        Im sure you did spend time on the Left, based on the imagery you used I'll say the 80s, and none since.  Who do you think created Occupy?  MoveOn?  Haha.

        Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

        by ActivistGuy on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 01:46:27 AM PDT

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        •  Unsurprisingly, you're wrong (1+ / 0-)
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          Actually, I was one of the founding members of my local Indymedia collective and was in DC at the protests against Bush's first Innaugural where I got clubbed when the cops attacked the black block march. Participated in the resistance to both the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq as well and the anti-Globalization movement. Sorry to burst your self righteous little bubble.

          If I was going to date you by the rhetoric you employ, I'd tag you as an escapee from 1968-72. But that would just be because that was when I first heard this kind of tired, self aggrandizing spiel.

          One of the hazzards of playing the self appointed "revolutionary" is a unjustified confidence that you "know" things that you have absolutely no way of knowing.

          Nothing human is alien to me.

          by WB Reeves on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 05:16:29 AM PDT

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