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    •  Also, not finding is safer than finding. (2+ / 5-)

      So is harassing innocent people.

      If our cops were brave, they wouldn't need so many armaments.

      The hierarchy hire scaredy cats because they are more likely to do what they are told.

      That's the problem with the culture of obedience. It focuses a lot of energy on the naturally compliant and overlooks the violent. Going after Saddam Hussein, the novelist, was consistent.

      We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 01:46:14 AM PDT

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      •  Wow, you should lay off the late-night comments (20+ / 0-)

        That was pretty crazy.

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 04:00:45 AM PDT

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        •  That's an ad hominem reponse to something (0+ / 0-)

          that was written early in the morning, ironically, on the road in Pennsylvania.
          Evacuations and house to house searches are something that's been practiced by law enforcement under the aegis of Homeland Security (an Orwellian concept), usually in response to reports that some bloke is about to off himself. The bureaucratic challenge is how to manage a large population. What ploy works best to get people to do what they are told, go where they are told without resistance? It's what the culture of obedience is focused on. A secure (locked down) homeland (another word for nation, an artificial category) is not necessarily beneficial to the inhabitants. Ask the Native Americans about their reservations.

          We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

          by hannah on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 02:58:48 AM PDT

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      •  The whole event is historical parody...reduced (2+ / 0-)
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        in CNNtown speak to heroism. CNN currently listing as "Breaking News" that a terrorist is being moved to a different facility. Novelists & Movie-makers parody the crimes of the past - which only serves to provide blueprints for future action. Hollywood invented "cowboys." They also invented a genre of political theory. A Griffith-like Babylonian cast of 1000s of extras in crushing a flea.

        America's greatest political dynasty...the Kaan

        by catilinus on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 04:10:47 AM PDT

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      •  sorry, but that's riding so damn close (7+ / 0-)

        to CT, that it could give CT a spongy.


        "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster." - Nietzsche

        by AlyoshaKaramazov on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 04:38:42 AM PDT

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        •  What I found more objectionable... (6+ / 0-)

          ...was the idea that we arm the police because they're cowards.  Although Phil Ochs wrote a good song about that.

          You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

          by Rich in PA on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 04:54:31 AM PDT

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          •  Phil Ochs wrote a lot of good songs about a lot (0+ / 0-)

            of things.  Things that unfortunately are seeming more and more like a repeat of what we lived through in the 60s and 70s.

            That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

            by concernedamerican on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 05:16:08 AM PDT

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          •  My theory? (0+ / 0-)

            Our police are more militarized because our criminals are. We have over 300 million guns in this country and who knows what other types of killing machines are available.

            This has built up over the years...it didn't just happen. I remember the articles addressing the problem of police officers being outgunned. That doesn't mean I'm making any excuse for police brutality or abusive force, but the reality is their armament is directly proportional to the incidence of more violent crime.

            "In the depth of winter I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer."- Albert Camus

            by valadon on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 11:40:49 PM PDT

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          •  We arm the police because the armaments (0+ / 0-)

            industry, like much of the electronics industry, relies on the public teat for a steady stream of income from a captive market.

            We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

            by hannah on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 03:03:00 AM PDT

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        •  Please say which point is CT? I understand how (1+ / 0-)
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          parts of her post could offend people, but don't see reference to any conspiracy theory. I don't want to rec CT.

          It struck me as part of Hannah's general sociological interpretation of how power seeks instruments to work through...anywhere & anytime...and definitely not about individual police in Boston.

          Unless you consider the point of going after Saddamm instead of deadlier threats CT?

          America's greatest political dynasty...the Kaan

          by catilinus on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 06:21:55 AM PDT

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      •  Hannah, if you had a child or a spouse or a parent (7+ / 0-)

        whose job was that of policeman/woman, you probably would want them to have armaments no matter how brave they were.  You would probably want them to accept the weapons they were assigned to do their jobs, just in case those weapons might help protect them.  

        That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

        by concernedamerican on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 05:14:32 AM PDT

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      •  Are you really calling the police officers who (10+ / 0-)

        were out searching for this guy "scaredy cats"? And suggesting that they go after him without armaments? Because that is ridiculous.

        These men and woman have families. Parents, spouses and children. I imagine when a police officer kisses his little boy good-bye when he leaves for work, he is hoping that he will be back later to tuck him  into bed.

        Shame on you.  

        You cannot cross the sea merely by standing and staring at the water. Rabindranath Tagore

        by Thomasina on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 06:56:49 AM PDT

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        •  Since most law enforcement officers that (0+ / 0-)

          are killed in the line of duty are responding to "domestic disturbances" it would be a foolhardy person who did not engage in a house to house search without trepidation. Houses are known to be booby-trapped and an inoffensive, armed policeman had already been killed on the spot. The cops were being sent on a fool's errand by people who rarely put themselves in the trenches.

          We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

          by hannah on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 03:12:48 AM PDT

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      •  Drunk blogging is a bad idea. (3+ / 0-)
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        Plus I am pretty sure that these guys don't qualify as "naturally compliant."

        Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

        by Mike S on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 08:00:10 AM PDT

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      •  HRd for callousness, stupidity. (5+ / 0-)
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        If our cops were brave, they wouldn't need so many armaments.

        The hierarchy hire scaredy cats because they are more likely to do what they are told.

         It focuses a lot of energy on the naturally compliant and overlooks the violent.

        In the face of a cop killed, and then a firefight with the suspects, calling on cops to give these criminals a fairer fight or their scared has to be the worst shit I've seen in a long time.  That's before you say that "a lot of energy" is expended on the compliant in a single stay in place order that lasted a day while "overlooking the vioient", who they were in the process of catching at risk of their own lives.

        That's not even "gun control". It's more like "massacre control".

        by Inland on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 08:03:36 AM PDT

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      •  So, you volunteering to go find murderers who (2+ / 0-)
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        are equipped with guns, grenades, and bombs, apparently bare-handed?

        Let me know how that goes. Hope you have been working on your Krav Maga.

        And you better go find them since you abolished the police, because I sure as hell am not, I'd be hiding somewhere safe.

        No ones saying cops are perfect, sometimes quite the opposite (see LAPD), but in this case they seemed to have done their job pretty well, a job I would never do because I don't want to get shot.

      •  over the top - or under the bottom - this (1+ / 0-)
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        comment is.

        If our cops were brave, they wouldn't need so many armaments.
        THIS is why i am hr'ing this comment.

        the job of law enforcement shouldn't come with a mandatory death sentence!  bravery?  i'd say law enforcement officers ARE brave... very - and some get honored posthumously for it.

        EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

        by edrie on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 07:49:47 PM PDT

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