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  •  responsible people not having kids (3+ / 0-)

    means you are breeding for irresponsibility and the idiocracy. Think of it like weeding your garden, if you don't tend it all you will get is weeds.

    Population needs to be limited dramatically but to some extent the die off nature will provide is going to be offset by people living longer due to more and better affordable health care.

    That probably means more death in equatorial and tropical regions, places that depend on fossil water to grow crops, low lying coastal areas, places with opportunistic diseases finding new niches and areas where there will be genocidal resource wars.

    There will be relatively greater population increases among populations of believers who don't believe in birth control.

    We could end up with more births, more malnutrition and disease, natural selection for greedy people who take more than their fair share of resources by whatever means necessary.

    All that will do is make the end times that much more brutish, nasty and short.

    Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

    by rktect on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 03:35:47 AM PDT

    •  I'd rather we properly educate the kids others (4+ / 0-)

      have.  Too many people in the world, and too much ignorance.  Educate almost any child properly, and they'll turn in disgust from selfishness, hatred, and the other negative emotions.

      •  That sounds a lot like the missionary approach (1+ / 0-)
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        What are we talking about as regards "proper" education? Is home schooling allowed without a teachers certification?

        Whats in the curriculum?

        Do we teach kids how to read and write English?

        How about the other 4000 some odd languages a nurse in a Brookline CHC or a waitress in a Cambridge restaurant might be expected to have familiarity with ?

        Bus the kids to a Masrada to learn to do mathematics with Arabic numerals properly? Include unit fractions?

        Invite an Architect to teach a more scientific version of intelligent design and have the nuns in to teach sex ed or go with the protestants and the missionary position?

        Include Art, Music, Gymnastics, Astronomy?

        Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

        by rktect on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 01:59:36 PM PDT

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        •  I have no idea where you went with that. (3+ / 0-)

          I was talking about public education.

          •  Public education is an oxymoron (1+ / 0-)
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            1.) Its a babysitting service for working moms
            2.) It teaches minimum requirements
            3.) Lots of inner city kids are horrendously disadvantaged by larger classes, more disruptive classmates, lower expectations for success
            4.) There is bullying, peer pressure to make mistakes, lots of selfishness, competition, failure, hatred and every other negative emotion raging teenage hormones can muster.

            Religious education is worse, home schooling worse still.

            A proper education would be an ongoing and continuous process of learning how to learn. A good teacher would be hard pressed to improve on providing some standards and expectations, stepping back and allowing a student to make as many mistakes as necessary to learn

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            by rktect on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 08:06:42 PM PDT

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            •  Wow. (2+ / 0-)
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              Obviously we went through completely different public education systems.

              At any rate, I do at least agree that there needs to be a paradigm shift to focus on learning, rather than teaching.  I think the better teachers have actually been there for decades, but it needs to be pushed more as an emphasis for all.

              •  My education continues (1+ / 0-)
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                Compare some of the other alternatives to having your education terminate when you "graduate".

                Have you ever been apprenticed to a trade or trained to be all the man you can by a drill sergeant? Public schools rarely ever get that intense and cooperatively competitive.

                Doing something supplemental to a public education such as attending the apprentice shop to learn boat building or the furniture workshop to learn how to design and build furniture or even getting on the job training as a mechanic working on cars or as a chef suggests more focus on the individuals interests encourages entrepreneurial vocations that can be more fulfilling  than the usual sheepskin and job with a corporation.

                Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

                by rktect on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 11:40:33 AM PDT

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      •  The DKos community has an impressive number (2+ / 0-)

        of very bright and articulate people who started off poor and disadvantaged, but who have still made successes of themselves.

        I'm all in favor of both good public education and good sex education; it's important not to write any child off because he's born with the odds stacked against him.

        •  "good sex education" is where you learn mad skills (0+ / 0-)

          I agree with every word of your comment.

          I just have a quirky sense of humor, at three in the morning.

          Good night. Or morning.

          "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

          by Brecht on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 03:16:30 AM PDT

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