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  •  OT, but mention of selectively excluding data (8+ / 0-)

    reminds me of the case of Ancel Keys who in a cross cultural analysis made the link between cholesterol and death from heart disease, which led to big nutritional policy decisions at the Federal level.  Problem was he left out a bunch of countries, which if included in his analysis, would have shown no relationship.  

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 07:16:14 AM PDT

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    •  A link to something ... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... would be helpful. I'm interested. Thanks.

      •  My source is Gary Taubes' book, "Good Calories, (1+ / 0-)
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        Bad Calories."  He's got a more recent book, "Why We Get Fat," but I don't know if the Ancel Keys story made it to that one.  If you google "Gary Taubes" and "Ancel Keys" you will probably come up with more about it.

        Basically, in his landmark paper, Keys used data from 6 or 7 countries, but had data from over 20 countries.  He saw a relationship between cholesterol and mortality from heart disease with the 6/7, but, when the data were re-analyed using the 20+, the relationship vanishes.  

        The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

        by accumbens on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 09:25:06 AM PDT

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        •  Taubes isn't objective either (0+ / 0-)

          He's a persistent advocate for the view that sugar, not fats, is the main culprit in heart disease and obesity as well as diabetes. And he is a reporter and writer, not a scientist in his own right.

          That doesn't make his writing inaccurate; but it does make me take what he writes and then look for the other side of the argument.

          •  I know the science myself and worked in this (2+ / 0-)
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            field (mostly on the obesity side) for over 35 years.  I think Taubes' knowledge in this area is as good as anyone's and consider his first book a tour de force.  I don't agree with the details of the biochemical mechanism he thinks is important for obesity, and thinks he misses the boat by largely ignoring the role and mechanism of overeating, but I do believe he's got as good a grasp as anyone.  And I think he's pretty well regarded.  He gave an invited talk sponsored by the Diabetes and Obesity Center at University of Pennsylvania a couple of years ago and was taken seriously.  And they weren't being polite.

            That's my take.  Besides, whether he's an advocate for low-carb diets doesn't make him wrong about Keys.

            The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

            by accumbens on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 01:07:43 PM PDT

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