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  •  Sen Gillibrand needs to tweak her talking point (16+ / 0-)

    about background checks:

    “I think trafficking can be the base of the bill, the rock on which everything else stands,” Ms. Gillibrand said. “I also think it’s complementary to background checks because, let’s be honest, criminals aren’t going to buy a gun and go through a background check. So if you really want to go after criminals, you have to have to do both.
    That's an NRA talking point - "criminals aren't going to go through a background check."

    Let's be honest? OK, in Colorado some criminals in fact do go through background checks:

    “Well, no one told the criminals that, and it turns out that many criminals are stupid," Hickenlooper said Wednesday after signing legislation requiring universal background checks for gun purchases.

    In 2012, he said, background checks prevented 5,000 gun purchases out of more than 320,000 applications.

    Of those blocked gun sales, Hickenlooper said:

    - 38 were individuals either accused or convicted of homicide.

    - 133 were people accused or convicted of sexual assault.

    - 600 were people accused or convicted of burglary.

    - Over 1,000 were people accused or convicted of felony assault.

    - “400 individuals had restraining orders against them from a court and we’re trying to buy a gun.”

    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/...

    A better way of making this point is to say, "Let's be honest, MOST criminals will not get a background check, and so we need gun trafficking legislation to catch those that slip through the cracks."

    There's no reason to echo a bullshit NRA talking point.

    •  Yep. I saw that and thought exactly the same... (8+ / 0-)

      ...thing.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 12:58:11 PM PDT

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    •  Depends on what 'criminals' is referencing. (1+ / 0-)
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      Clem Yeobright

      It's not the best phrasing either way, I agree. I think what she's referencing is 'background checks don't stop people who are buying guns specifically to commit a crime with them' and therefore aren't purchasing them legally and/or from law-abiding citizens.

      I see what you did there.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 01:00:04 PM PDT

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      •  Well, based on Hickenlooper's statistics (4+ / 0-)

        she is actually wrong because for one thing people who are put under restraining orders are usually restricted because of some sort of bodily threat that they have made towards other people.

        Another point on which Hickenlooper is correct - at least according to my father who was a criminal defense attorney - criminals are really pretty stupid.

        Finally, while the effects of a background check program will probably take a number of years to really start to show, there is no doubt in my mind that as the many, many firearms and their transfers between owners in this country start to be subjected to a background check, the number of available weapons for criminal use will decrease.  It will take time, but it will shrink the available pool of firearms from which criminals can liberally draw from right now.

      •  While technically true, as a talking point, it's (3+ / 0-)

        not that best way to communicate the ultimate point, which is  universal background checks and gun trafficking legislation are some of the best tools to stop criminals from committing crimes with guns.

        Why even go there? It opens up the NRA can of worms - criminals won't go through a background check, only law abiding citizens will be hurt by background checks, and then you're stuck in that morass again.

        And, selling universal background checks and gun trafficking together seems to me to be a really smart way of doing it - you can easily rebut the NRA claim that criminals don't go through the background checks using Hickenlooper's stats and then remind everyone that many criminals get guns through straw purchases. The two pieces of legislation close big loopholes that criminals exploit.

        As for those criminals that get there guns another way - that is a choice for the public of whether they want even more restrictive gun laws, or not.

        That's my humble opinion.

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