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  •  Police do very little in the way of crime (19+ / 0-)


    If they wanted to do crime prevention, after all, they would be out there lobbying day and night to end the War on Drugs.  That would eliminate a large swath of crime right there.

    Elimination of poverty would probably go far, far further towards crime prevention than anything the police could do. But are the police out there proposing social changes that would likely reduce crime?  No.

    •  Well, the thing is that the reduction (12+ / 0-)

      in crime in cities in the 90s was largely credited to the program that put officers on the streets in troubled neighborhoods.  The fact that people could lose their homes because they asked for police assistance just advances the objectives of real criminals.

      And I agree about the war on drugs, but I do think that having a police force that is involved in a community can be helpful if they are trained and positioned to help people not to harass.  The transformation of so many police forces into thuggish oppressors is not helpful - but the idea of a police force is not in and of itself an inherently bad idea.

      •  I don't think anyone knows (6+ / 0-)

        what caused the large drop in crime over the last while.  It was probably a combination of a whole host of things.

        I'm pretty sure crime dropped in places where officers were not put on the streets of troubled neighborhoods nearly as much, if not as much, as places that did.

        •  The crime drop in the 90s was (7+ / 0-)

          largely thought to have come about as a result of an economic upturn and certain crime prevention programs such as the police on the street program.

          This woman's problem with a man who was intent on stalking and hurting her is a great example of the kind of crime that could be stopped if there were police around to protect her and her neighbors.  Domestic abusers are particularly cowardly people - they rarely pull their shit in places where they might be challenged.

          •  don't forget the change in leaded gas (14+ / 0-)

            leading to a change in brain chemistry. For serious.

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            by BlackSheep1 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 12:22:34 PM PDT

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            •  Many factors. Unleaded gas stands out. (10+ / 0-)

              So many things changed in the period in which crime dropped, that there are several statistical correlations that may or may not point to causation. Plausible causes:

              1. Roe v. Wade. Unwanted children are more likely to grow up to commit violent crimes.

              2. Harsher sentencing laws, leading to a record % of the population being incarcerated.

              3. The obesity epidemic.

              4. Head Start.

              5. Public school integration.

              6. A number of improvements in the environment.

              What makes the unleaded-gas hypothesis especially strong is that leaded gas was not abolished at the same time everywhere in the USA. Some states and cities phased it out before it was banned nationwide. Studies find that the drop in crime happened earlier in the areas that phased out leaded gas earlier.

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              by HeyMikey on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 12:30:57 PM PDT

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              •  Well, in DC while they were taking lead (7+ / 0-)

                out of the gasoline, they were switching over to a chemical water treatment system that started to leach lead out of the water pipes - and our crime rate still dropped dramatically.  Congress went insane, but our crime rate dropped.

                Anyway, the point is that integrated public safety systems based on a commonly held respect for and desire to uphold laws and protect citizens of this country is undermined by penalties being set upon people who ask for assistance when they are under siege of criminals.  And it isn't just the protection of specific victims of crimes that is at stake here, either.  It is the entire community that is put at risk when just because they are renters they can't take advantage of the rights to protection from their local municipalities that other people who do own their own property can.  It is somewhat parallel to one person in a neighborhood not calling the fire department - or that horrible story about the fire department not putting out a house fire because the people didn't pay their local fee - and then putting everyone else in the community at risk of losing their homes to fire.  It is stupid and counterproductive.

    •  Oh, also, poverty and crime are oft associated, (8+ / 0-)

      but there are tons of criminals on Wall Street who make plenty of money and really don't have to steal, but still do so on a regular basis - and no one pursues them.

      Overall, our notion of crime prevention has become warped because crime prevention is about stopping criminals petty and grand - we seem to be going towards a wild west model where everyone is expected to fend for themselves - and that goes for the projects as much as it goes for honest people who are getting robbed by the financial industry.

    •  not fair (1+ / 0-)
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      police can not be everywhere all the time thus crime preventation is really not possible unless you can predict the future

      The police exist to enforce the current laws not pick and choose which ones they like based on how much they agree or disagree with them

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      by duhban on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 04:20:09 PM PDT

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