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  •  "saber rattling"? (1+ / 0-)
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    That train left long ago, what with all the talk of red lines and the covert assistance we've been giving various rebel entities for the past several months.

    Now the question is what Obama will do.  Will he be able to take action sufficient to please the Republicans and the hawk wing of his own party? without full-scale war?

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    by corvo on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 04:18:51 PM PDT

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    •  There's been no significant talk of intervention (2+ / 0-)
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      Either in the US or internationally. Until you see broad international support for intervention, especially from major local powers such as Turkey and Saudi Arabia, there won't be US forces getting involved.

      •  Turkey and (especially) SA (0+ / 0-)

        would rather pull it off by means of massive and no-longer-so-covert support.  And it's in the best interest of the international war industry to milk this conflict for everything it's worth.

        As for Obama, he's now having to walk that fine line (I daresay it isn't a red one) between warmonger and wimp.  We'll see how well he manages.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 05:26:56 PM PDT

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        •  It doesn't matter what they want (0+ / 0-)

          It matters what they will accept. And they US will not fight inside Syria unless a large portion of the interntaional community accept that.

          The US will not suddenly surprise attack Syria. Everyone will see it coming, if it is indeed coming. It will be prefaced by a great deal of discussion and comment from the international community, as well as a lot of diplomatic pressure from the US directly towards Assad before any strikes.

          We are seeing none of that so far.

          •  The most important question (0+ / 0-)

            regarding overt American "participation" in Syria is, of course, what Russia will accept.  That is no doubt the one consideration that has kept us out so far.

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 05:37:23 PM PDT

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            •  Russia won't do squat (1+ / 0-)
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              If there is international concensus to intervene in Syria, then the Russians will already be neutralized. Not that Syria is a critical interest of Russia worth fighting over in the first place.  

              •  I believe that "international consensus" (0+ / 0-)

                involves a UN Security Council vote, among other things.

                Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                by corvo on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 07:16:02 PM PDT

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                •  That's the difference (0+ / 0-)

                  between legal status and the preponderance of opinion. I referred to world opinion. As for that legal point, itmakes US intervention even less likely, nicht wahr?

                  •  Overt intervention, maybe. (0+ / 0-)

                    The covert intervention has been going on for some time already.  

                    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                    by corvo on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 07:24:34 PM PDT

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                    •  Yes and we are talking about overt intervention (0+ / 0-)

                      Combined with, see below.

                      •  The dividing line between overt and covert blurs (0+ / 0-)

                        as our involvement becomes more and more apparent.

                        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                        by corvo on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 04:59:28 AM PDT

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                  •  oh, and if you really think (0+ / 0-)

                    that "world opinion" demands that we "rescue" Syria, then you've been watching too much teevee.

                    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                    by corvo on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 07:25:49 PM PDT

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                    •  Obviously you did not process what I wrote (0+ / 0-)

                      If you had, this sentence would not have been typed by you.

                      if you really think that "world opinion" demands that we "rescue" Syria,
                      Instead of writing more, I suggest you re-read what is already written.

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